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    02.11.12 SILVER ANGEL [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1949314a13f

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    02.11.12 DILLIGAF [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1946493751d
    02.11.12 Dakeyras [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19465753a17
    02.11.12 HarLi [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19465839347

    17.11.12 SuperVillain [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19684943e7a

    13.12.12 foulwerewolf [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/2005416d229
    13.12.12 geomatrix [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20054220a62
    13.12.12 Flyingpython [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20054415972

    Jon_Snow
    18.11.12 stany73 [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/196837270a3
    18.11.12 Frustration [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19683750f0f

    09.12.12 Hmmzzz [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1998701a0df
    09.12.12 Weevil [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1998718c2bb
    09.12.12 Avalon [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1998752b0a9

    15.12.12 Seventy [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/2008375d409

    (D-)Angels
    Ill Repute

    17.10.12 UncleDeadly [DK] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1924342620a

    11.11.12 Gio [Madface] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1958882f00d

    26.11.12 yumme [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19814618202
    26.11.12 papasang [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19814644b5f
    26.11.12 Mummy Rot [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1981468dc2b

    14.12.12 Poison [OUTCASTS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20069620315
    14:12:12 RIP [UN] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/200606695c0

    15.12.12 2 evil 1z [PHN] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20077345232
    15.12.12 ThreeBlindMice [Nemesis] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20077373f28
    15.12.12 Enoch [Demons] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20077311d98
    15.12.12 EUM [KwtrsN] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/2008596c0fa

    Huron
    26.11.12 Egor the Rancid [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1981428d053
    26.11.12 Smith [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/19814355de8
    26.11.12 Enoch [~Demons~] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1981432d871

    TNB
    L.T.

    15.12.12 Brubarron [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20077409f71
    15.12.12 TeamTakeDown [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/2007567f74f
    15.12.12 Angry & Hungry [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/20081671033

    KwtrsN
    Black Ice

    01.12.12 Muzy [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1988993dce3
    01.12.12 Milky [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/198899798bb

    09.12.12 Scuffle [(D-)ANGELS] http://travian-reports.net/us/report/1999381c62e
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    Please Note: This analysis is based off of the previous analyses done by Smackybear.

    This time I did decide to base size into this analysis. The hammer had to be at least 45k in wheat/hour to be put in. I chose this number as it was what the hammers were at the beginning of endgame. Due to the lowness of the number, nearly all the hammers were placed.

    This analysis does not go by wheat count, but rather total attack points, Siege Count, and a mixture between the two called SBN.

    I hope the quality is there for you to read.

    Total Attack Points:


    Base Attack: Self explanatory
    Upgraded Attack: Assumes level 20 attack for all troops, even scouts, and defensive troops sent with them.
    Upgraded Attack with Hero: As long as the hero is sent with them, they received the bonus. I was not going to ask each player for their hero information. This is what the data is sorted by to least to greatest.
    With 10% Brewery: This went to all tueton hammers. I know not all ran the brewery, but I did not want to ask players if they did.

    Total Siege Count:


    SBN


    SBN = ((siege w/h / MAX siege w/h on the server) + (attack points / MAX attack points on server)) / 2. Just a simple formula to show both attack and siege together, since they're two valuable aspects of the hammer. I use this as a number to compare the utility of the hammers on a server with each other. Thank you Smackybear.

    S3R5
    Hammers by Tribe
    Tueton: 14 hammers; Averages: 12628561 Attack; 48790 Siege W/h
    Gaul: 11 hammers; Averages: 8952871 Attack; 37225 Siege W/h
    Roman: 9 hammers; Averages: 10244134 Attack; 41240 Siege W/h

    Hammers by Alliance
    (D-)ANGELS 20 hammers; Averages: 12836890 Attack, 52510 Siege W/h
    Demons 8 hammers; Averages: 8383930 Attack; 35405 Siege W/h
    Madface / PHN 2 hammers; Averages: 10061676 Attack; 26655 Siege W/h
    KwtrsN 1 hammer; Averages: 7226413 Attack; 29775 Siege W/h
    Nemesis 1 hammer; Averages: 3046558 Attack; 9216 Siege W/h
    OUTCASTS 1 hammer; Averages: 8495846 Attack; 21966 Siege W/h
    DK 1 hammer; Averages: 2917028 Attack; 15981 Siege W/h

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    For those of you who like to compare servers; here are S3R4 and S3R3.

    S3R4
    Hammers by Tribe
    Tueton: 26 hammers; Averages: 10837788 Attack; 39913 Siege W/h
    Gaul: 15 hammers; Averages: 8419106 Attack; 41348 Siege W/h
    Roman: 25 hammers; Averages: 11246842 Attack; 53174 Siege W/h

    Hammers by Alliance
    GOB: 33 hammers; Averages: 12084194 Attack, 57332 Siege W/h
    Delicious: 16 hammers; Averages: 9341845 Attack; 32159 Siege W/h
    Utensils: 14 hammers; Averages: 8757664 Attack; 34272 Siege W/h
    Few: 3 hammers; Averages: 6128305 Attack; 19108 Siege W/h

    S3R3 (Done by SmackyBear; It is a bit different)
    Hammers by tribe:
    Teuton: 28 hammers; Averages; 12252080 Attack; 40267 Siege W/h
    Gaul: 24 hammers; Averages; 11687238 Attack; 39183 Siege W/h
    Roman: 22 hammers; Averages; 12332924 Attack; 47220 Siege W/h

    Hammers by Meta:
    OUTSIDE: 37 hammers; Averages: 12776492 Attack; 44897 Siege W/h
    North: 37 hammers; Averages: 11409354 Attack; 39068 Siege W/h

    If you have any concerns about this post or the hammer list, please send me a PM thanks.
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    nice list, I thought we were short on end game hammers this round but seemed to have done okay
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    To be quite honest I was worried I was still gonna have troops travelling when the WW went to L100... glad I managed to land them... just

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    Nicely put together, good for people like myself who didn't play this server. +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by leem101 View Post
    nice list, I thought we were short on end game hammers this round but seemed to have done okay
    Uhhh... Server had HALF the hammers of the past two rounds. So yeah, you could say you all were short on EGH's.
    Total R5: 34
    Total R4: 66
    Total R3: 74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirveri View Post
    Uhhh... Server had HALF the hammers of the past two rounds. So yeah, you could say you all were short on EGH's.
    I agree with you Sirv, but I would like to see the total of active players for each of those rounds at the end. I think R5 was WAY low on body count. In which case, percentage wise (it seems to me) that R5 had a larger number of hammers.

    EDIT: Sorry ????, nice of you to take the time to do this for us again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Of The Morning View Post
    I agree with you Sirv, but I would like to see the total of active players for each of those rounds at the end. I think R5 was WAY low on body count. In which case, percentage wise (it seems to me) that R5 had a larger number of hammers.
    and the numbers of hammers is only 1 aspect. what counts is the quality and angels had 3 Large EGHs.

    Angels used 2-3 EGhs for each WW. The enemy splatted a lot more armies and did even less damage.

    e:// The SBN static is very useful in my opinion. (Thanks for this nice formula and the whole graphics) 9 of the best 10 SBN armies were from angels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traumtänzer View Post
    and the numbers of hammers is only 1 aspect. what counts is the quality as well and angels had 3 Large EGHs.

    Angels used 2-3 EGhs for each WW. The enemy splatted a lot more armies and did even less damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Of The Morning View Post
    I agree with you Sirv, but I would like to see the total of active players for each of those rounds at the end. I think R5 was WAY low on body count. In which case, percentage wise (it seems to me) that R5 had a larger number of hammers.

    EDIT: Sorry ????, nice of you to take the time to do this for us again.
    I know R3 was considered a record low at the time, but that might not mean as much today as it did then. But you have a good point, would be nice to see activity numbers for the end game included in these stats. If the originator can grab those before they vanish into the ether and add it in for future comparisons that would likely be very useful for statistical tracking purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirveri View Post
    Uhhh... Server had HALF the hammers of the past two rounds. So yeah, you could say you all were short on EGH's.
    Total R5: 34
    Total R4: 66
    Total R3: 74
    Number of players is key to this - and server politics.

    Another point to remember is that there were a lot of chiefed/deleted/caught at home hammers this server (Mainly due to Angels). This significantly reduced the size (And number) of hammers able to hit World Wonders.

    All the below had potential of EGH, and were taken down before they got chance:


    Tox (Capital Zeroed)
    Kingscape (Chiefed)
    Puppies (Deleted)
    Matt Paxton (Chiefed)
    El Guapo (Chiefed)
    Mummy Rot (Significantly damaged)
    Itz Sierra (Borged into Papasang)


    I'm sure there are more - these would have all been in the hammer analysis if allowed to continue. I would give credit of this to Angels - it's difficult to compare with another server, but the enemy had a very tough time keeping hammers hidden due to Angels aggression and play style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foulwerewolf View Post
    Number of players is key to this - and server politics.

    Another point to remember is that there were a lot of chiefed/deleted/caught at home hammers this server (Mainly due to Angels). This significantly reduced the size (And number) of hammers able to hit World Wonders.

    All the below had potential of EGH, and were taken down before they got chance:


    Tox (Capital Zeroed)
    Kingscape (Chiefed)
    Puppies (Deleted)
    Matt Paxton (Chiefed)
    El Guapo (Chiefed)
    Mummy Rot (Significantly damaged)
    Itz Sierra (Borged into Papasang)


    I'm sure there are more - these would have all been in the hammer analysis if allowed to continue. I would give credit of this to Angels - it's difficult to compare with another server, but the enemy had a very tough time keeping hammers hidden due to Angels aggression and play style.
    If someone could get me the server numbers, I'll place them into the post. Thanks

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    Might just be me - but I can't see the full table. I don't think the box is wide enough for the image? I saved the image to desktop and can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foulwerewolf View Post
    Might just be me - but I can't see the full table. I don't think the box is wide enough for the image? I saved the image to desktop and can see.
    open the image in a new tab:

    http://imageshack.us/a/img15/1072/s3...tackpoints.png
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    ehm yeah who cares??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foulwerewolf View Post
    All the below had potential of EGH, and were taken down before they got chance:


    Itz Sierra (Borged into Papasang)
    yeh and i have the potential to be king of England but it isnt gonna happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by iTz sierra 117 View Post
    yeh and i have the potential to be king of England but it isnt gonna happen
    If enough millions died that meant you were going to be King we would have a revolution and become a republic :P which rather proves your point that it will never happen

    Back to the thread. We had some early hits to maximise damage from small hammers. When the serious stuff got going we waited for the right time to get maximum damage and hit the WW with a train (rammer, support hammer, World wonder killer hammer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by iTz sierra 117 View Post
    yeh and i have the potential to be king of England but it isnt gonna happen
    I doubt (And hope) you don't have enough German blood in you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foulwerewolf View Post
    I doubt (And hope) you don't have enough German blood in you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ???? View Post
    Whats so wrong with Germans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus. View Post
    Back to the thread. We had some early hits to maximise damage from small hammers.
    Very well calculated by Magnus... he got it spot on I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddle View Post
    Very well calculated by Magnus... he got it spot on I think.
    or you ffs, please take the acclaim when you deserve it rich....
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    Quote Originally Posted by leem101 View Post
    or you ffs, please take the acclaim when you deserve it rich....
    He was on about the WW hits which were arranged by myself. Rich rightly deserves the acclaim for most of the alliance operations this round. He did a great job organising them.

    I planned all the WW hits, the initial artifact takes when they were released and some of the other operations (eg kingscape hammer). I also gave the ideas and the general outline of what we needed to do in quite a few cases. Rich then worked the finer detail out and made sure players did it. He planned and arranged many of the operations himself. He was superb.

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