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    I also pointed out that there are other open possibilities, and the protect option is one. Was waiting to hear what Montana says.

    Also though, MK, there is 1 inactive, which is yet another possibility for why there was no maff kill (on top of the possibility it was a protect).

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    Is there a role in mafia that makes one of the mafia members invulnerable from someone like the wolf?

    If not, isn't Eric conftown?

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    Also, FoS at Burn and Val for being experienced enough to know there are other possibilities but bandwagoning anyway. I'll wait for mb to reply before voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    Is there a role in mafia that makes one of the mafia members invulnerable from someone like the wolf?

    If not, isn't Eric conftown?
    There could be all sorts of roles that cause that, but I don't see why it means he's not mafia. More likely another indie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    Is there a role in mafia that makes one of the mafia members invulnerable from someone like the wolf?

    If not, isn't Eric conftown?
    The wolf doesn't work that way as far as I know. Can't find it listed anywhere, so don't have the exact role description.

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    I'd like to just say that not knowing the roles makes this difficult!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Stokem was jailed, not roleblock. I've never seen a KP that listed roleblocked actions before, so it's more likely that the killed failed because Stokem was protected.

    Vote: Valynor
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    Third on a stupid bandwagon.

    FoS: Everyone else on the bandwagon.
    The KP specifically said that it prevented him from using his special. Occam's Razor suggests that the one roleblocked was responsible for the missing mafia kill. It's not suspicious, it's mafia 101.

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    I know that I am confused. Stokem was jailed right?

    according to mafiascum the jailkeeper protects and blocks.

    so that means stokem could of been the target aor could of been mafia.

    Guess we find out tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gebne View Post
    I know that I am confused. Stokem was jailed right?

    according to mafiascum the jailkeeper protects and blocks.

    so that means stokem could of been the target aor could of been mafia.

    Guess we find out tonight.
    I assume that if someone tried to attack him, it would show up in the KP. That's an important role to just leave out for no reason.

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    Assuming that Valy is correct then it does make sense that stokem is now conf mafia.

    Vote: Stokem
    Reason: He shoulda stayed in jail.
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    I'd like to see the KP come and say that Stokem was town ... But he has been unusually quiet ... Maybe he is the mafia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    I'd like to see the KP come and say that Stokem was town ... But he has been unusually quiet ... Maybe he is the mafia
    Last game that he played where he was mafia he was not quiet at all. Valy's logic in his last post made sense, though. In the KP, when I've seen people jailed they said something to the affect of "Someone was out to get ____, but he was in the slammer all night so they couldn't get their guy."

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    Scarecrow: Do other roleblocks and protections show up on the KP?

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    On further reflection (and assuming other roleblocks/protects would show up in the KP), there doesn't seem to be any way the failed kill could have been anyone but Stokem. It is very unusual to have a roleblocked role shown in the KP though.

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    Stokem has had things going on in his life, so I don't think his inactivity is indicative of his being scum.

    And I don't see why I'm being FoS'd for voting the way I am voting.

    If anything, those of you throwing about suspicion and not even attempting to make anything concrete enough for a vote are being suspicious.

    As valy pointed out, when a player is RB'd and there is no mafia kill, that's probable cause. Of course there are other possibilities and we want to look at those. But we don't just NOT go after the obvious target because there are other possibilities. We put this possibility on the table, and if something comes up to change our minds, we change our minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Scarecrow: Do other roleblocks and protections show up on the KP?
    All roleblocks and protections are typically shown in my rounds.
    For the most part, the roles that don't show are investigative or vote-altering (excluding Governor) in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    All roleblocks and protections are typically shown in my rounds.
    For the most part, the roles that don't show are investigative or vote-altering (excluding Governor) in nature.
    unFOS: Burn etc.

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    I am still confused. Sorry. Is there someone who can explain what scarecrow's explanation means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gebne View Post
    Assuming that Valy is correct then it does make sense that stokem is now conf mafia.

    Vote: Stokem
    Reason: He shoulda stayed in jail.
    He's not confirmed mafia, he's just the best lead.

    As for roleblocks, I think they've always shown up in KP. I believe that's standard. Mayor, town drunk, and any investigations are what don't show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I am still confused. Sorry. Is there someone who can explain what scarecrow's explanation means?
    Generally speaking, only roles such as detective, tracker, follower, role cop, mayors, town drunks, accountants or other like roles don't show in the KP.

    There are some other independent roles that don't normally get shown, such as Alien (having to probe everyone), however there aren't any of those types of roles this round.

    Considering I don't normally provide role lists for these types of rounds, I aim to have as many roles show in the KP as possible to make up for it.

    Hope that makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valynor View Post
    He's not confirmed mafia, he's just the best lead.
    The only other option is that the Mafia forgot to send in a kill and Stokem has a different killing role.

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    Sorry, like Burn said got stuff going on. Not much I can say to this other than I'm not mafia. I have no proof and it doesn't make sense for the mafia to not kill someone other than to frame someone for tonight, just curious why n1 instead of a n2-3 plan.
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    o ya. i hope he goes back to it. i liked my name being in some1's sig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    The only other option is that the Mafia forgot to send in a kill and Stokem has a different killing role.
    Why do I have to have a killing role?
    Quote Originally Posted by mbstokem View Post
    o ya. i hope he goes back to it. i liked my name being in some1's sig

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    Unvote: Montana
    Vote: Carni

    I've never been good at reading Montana, but...

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    Sorry for my inactivity night 1, I had an emergency pop up.

    Because of my absence I'm the next likely vote if stokem isn't maf so I have to cast my vote there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Unvote: Montana
    Vote: Carni

    I've never been good at reading Montana, but...
    I was thinking the same thing.

    Unvote

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    vote: MK
    Just trying to save myself I guess
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    o ya. i hope he goes back to it. i liked my name being in some1's sig

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    Vote: Mbstokem

    As far as I can tell, if mb isnt mafia then carni is.

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    Sorry if we are wrong, mb. I'm sure you understand how it looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    Vote: Mbstokem

    As far as I can tell, if mb isnt mafia then carni is.
    Not necessarily, it could've been a planned no kill, like I said.

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    Sorry if we are wrong, mb. I'm sure you understand how it looks.
    Yeah, sucks to suck
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    o ya. i hope he goes back to it. i liked my name being in some1's sig

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    Except, I'm not so sure about Carni. Mb is the only solid lead we have so my
    FoS stays on Burn and I'll add gebne...
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    So, I am travelling and that means I had to wake up early. : (

    I'd like to say something no one probably noticed. There was no 'save', that is, doctor's action mentioned in the KP. I think almost all rounds usually have this role, which could mean that mb is the doctor.
    Add that to what mb said. I think we might be killing the wrong guy here.

    Unvote

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    No mafia kill could mean inactivity of th GF like someone said.
    vote: carni

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    Its mb or carni tonight and the other tomorrow, unless we learn something new in the KP.

    For the day after, since I'm going to bed and the KP is soon: I investigated TB last night and he showed guilty. So, after we take out whichever of mb or carni is mafia, I suggest we collectively lynch TB the next day. I waited because A) I wasnt sure what was happening with MB, and B) TB may be an indie, which shows as guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    Its mb or carni tonight and the other tomorrow, unless we learn something new in the KP.

    For the day after, since I'm going to bed and the KP is soon: I investigated TB last night and he showed guilty. So, after we take out whichever of mb or carni is mafia, I suggest we collectively lynch TB the next day. I waited because A) I wasnt sure what was happening with MB, and B) TB may be an indie, which shows as guilty.
    Not sure if such role claiming is allowed.

    But if TB is actually guilty, I believe this lead is pretty solid unlike Carni or Mb.

    So should we be lynching Burn tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod Deadpool View Post
    Not sure if such role claiming is allowed.

    But if TB is actually guilty, I believe this lead is pretty solid unlike Carni or Mb.

    So should we be lynching Burn tonight?
    Rules say nothing about it. But no, it's really late to try and switch the lynch. It could end up poorly if we have votes for others we dont suspect. I'm too lazy to check the count.

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    Vote count:
    MB - Rok, gebne, MK, Carni, Luisss
    MK - Eric, MB
    Carni - Burn, Deadpool

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbstokem View Post
    Why do I have to have a killing role?
    Because a kill was roleblocked/protected, and there were no roleblocks/protects except the one against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Because a kill was roleblocked/protected, and there were no roleblocks/protects except the one against you.
    Maybe I'm missing something, but where does it say a kill was stopped?
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    o ya. i hope he goes back to it. i liked my name being in some1's sig

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    There are 3 options:

    1) The maff tried to kill Montana but he was protected by the jail
    2) The maff tried to kill someone using Montana (either Montana is GF or other maff member) but it was stopped cause Montana was RB'd
    3) There was no kill because Carni is GF and did not send it in.

    Montana being 50/50 maff (if the options were just 1 or 2) would be a damned good reason to vote Montana. However, given the presence of 3, the chances he is maff aren't that much higher than a random lynch. Granted, they're still marginally higher (since 1/3 > 2/9), but I'm OK with betting against the odds on this one. That said, those votes for Montana make mathematical sense.

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