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    Sounds like an interesting idea. Especially if the $600/month is the only subsidy. Since it's not much to live on so it'll incentivize black people to get a job. And then they can choose what to spend their money on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...r-poor-people/

    Sounds like an interesting idea. Especially if the $600/month is the only subsidy. Since it's not much to live on so it'll incentivize black people to get a job. And then they can choose what to spend their money on.
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    Now, now. There is still alot of this year to go. I'm sure we'll have quite the selection to choose from come the end.

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    I do think this sort of thing will become necessary as the economy shifts the way it has been, with everything becoming automated and vast amounts of wealth exponentially growing constantly. I do not think we are there yet, but it will be interesting to see how it goes in Finland!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I do think this sort of thing will become necessary as the economy shifts the way it has been, with everything becoming automated and vast amounts of wealth exponentially growing constantly. I do not think we are there yet, but it will be interesting to see how it goes in Finland!
    We were talking about that at work, since my specialization is in control systems and automation. They can slowly replace most jobs and just have a contracting company for repair and maintenance. Then 90% of people will be unemployed and we lucky few will be paid to keep the machines going.

    Honestly though, for machines to replace human labor: farming, food processing, trash disposal, manufacturing, sales, every step of the line would have to be automated. So, once it is, and most people are unemployed, the government would set a basic wage of let's say $5,000/month. With that, you can choose how to spend it as you like, since that money now just represents resources/time/energy expended by machines.

    For those who want more, they can of course make their own businesses, or express themselves with music or art, or for the very lucrative field of research, since by designing something new, you open new fields of automation or new fields to be automated.

    But, if you want to be a lazy ****, you would be more than entitled to.

    That's my prediction of the future in about 100-200 years.

    Once we get further with molecularization and demolecularization, we'll be able to "scan" products, and create them in machines that can build them from simple molecules. But we'd also need a very abundant energy source, such as cold fusion or subspace harnessing. That's much farther down the road.
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    Obviously the blue collars didn't like the idea and called it all science fiction and that humans would never be replaced by machines (they didn't like my examples of car factories).

    But, if our society remains free, I theorize the highest paying jobs will be the arts (sports, music, cinema), and R&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Obviously the blue collars didn't like the idea and called it all science fiction and that humans would never be replaced by machines (they didn't like my examples of car factories).

    But, if our society remains free, I theorize the highest paying jobs will be the arts (sports, music, cinema), and R&D.
    "the blue collars"? Hmm, next you'll be calling them plebs. Careful poppet, just because you have a job, it doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    But, if our society remains free, I theorize the highest paying jobs will be the arts (sports, music, cinema)
    Even when the society wasn't "free", rulers paid clowns, poets, gladiators ...etc more than other people.

    Entertainment is always sucking money, since it makes you forget about your problems in life "temporarily", and occupies enough time of your "freetime"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Even when the society wasn't "free", rulers paid clowns, poets, gladiators ...etc more than other people.

    Entertainment is always sucking money, since it makes you forget about your problems in life "temporarily", and occupies enough time of your "freetime"!
    His point is that we will all be awash in free time. And all have enough money. So of course entertainment and the arts will come into focus more.
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    "the blue collars"? Hmm, next you'll be calling them plebs. Careful poppet, just because you have a job, it doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
    I was teasing mostly. Though this is South Carolina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    I was teasing mostly. Though this is South Carolina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    So it's not too hard to be better than everyone else?
    Down here in South Carolina, most of your generation are good ol'boys. They don't like transgenders, gays, Obama, and technology. And they hate unions. It's not saying they aren't smart. It's saying the culture they were raised in didn't prioritize intelligence. Instead it prioritized southern hospitality (unless you're gay, Muslim, different, or Obama. Most like black people, but hate Obama and love Trump.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I do think this sort of thing will become necessary as the economy shifts the way it has been, with everything becoming automated and vast amounts of wealth exponentially growing constantly.
    That sounds kinda... socialist.





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    That sounds kinda... socialist.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    So it's not too hard to be better than everyone else?
    S.C. is part of America, and everyone here is better than anyone in Australia, even the illegals and Californians. Has Australia even contributed anything to the world? Short of Steve the animal abusing Irwin, I come up blank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    S.C. is part of America, and everyone here is better than anyone in Australia, even the illegals and Californians. Has Australia even contributed anything to the world? Short of Steve the animal abusing Irwin, I come up blank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    , I come up blank.
    So..... are you from there as well?
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    No..
    Then what's your excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Has Australia even contributed anything to the world?
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    Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
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    I question wifi (as wireless data transfer, it was ALOHAnet). And medical ultrasounds. A few of the others check out. Haven't researched all of them though.
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    More importantly,
    Thats the Australian National Anthem right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    I question wifi (as wireless data transfer, it was ALOHAnet). And medical ultrasounds. A few of the others check out. Haven't researched all of them though.
    From National Geographic:

    In 1976 Ausonics commercialised the ultrasound scanner. Studying ultrasound from 1959 onwards, the Ultrasonics Research Section of the Commonwealth Acoustrics Laboratories Branch (later to become the Ultrasonic Institute) discovered a way to differentiate ultrasound echoes bouncing off soft tissue in the body and converting them to TV images. This discovery forever changed pre-natal care as it gave expecting parents a window to the foetus without x-ray exposure. Ultrasound technology is also used in the diagnoses of medical problems of the breast, abdomen, and reproductive organs.
    In 1992 John O' Sullivan and the CSIRO developed wi-fi technology. John and his colleagues were originally looking for black holes when they realised the potential of the technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foley View Post
    Thats the Australian National Anthem right?
    Sounds about right.

    Also, that one time that Aussies lost an armed conflict with emus is a constant source of amusement. That's another thing they've given the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    From National Geographic:





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    ALOHAnet used UHF to to transmit data packets in 1971. That's wireless data transfer, I.e. wifi. Unless we're being picky?

    As for the ultrasound device:

    Thereafter, in 1940, the American acoustical physicist Floyd Firestone devised the first ultrasonic echo imaging device, the Supersonic Reflectoscope, to detect internal flaws in metal castings. In 1941, the Austrian neurologist Karl Theo Dussik was in collaboration with his brother, Friedreich, a physicist, likely, the first person to ultrasonically echo image the human body, outlining thereby the ventricles of a human brain.[71][72] Ultrasonic energy was first applied to the human body for medical purposes by Dr George Ludwig at the Naval Medical Research Institute, Bethesda, Maryland in the late 1940s.[73][74] English-born physicist John Wild (1914–2009) first used ultrasound to assess the thickness of bowel tissue as early as 1949; he has been described as the "father of medical ultrasound".[75] Subsequent advances in the field took place concurrently in several countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    ALOHAnet used UHF to to transmit data packets in 1971. That's wireless data transfer, I.e. wifi. Unless we're being picky?

    As for the ultrasound device:
    LOL Try hard.

    Well you can transmit information via sound, so lets go back to radio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    LOL Try hard.

    Well you can transmit information via sound, so lets go back to radio?
    UHF has higher bandwidth than even the current wifi standards, so what are you getting at?

    And we're talking about inventions, not current iterations. Obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    UHF has higher bandwidth than even the current wifi standards, so what are you getting at?

    And we're talking about inventions, not current iterations. Obviously.
    Well then under your definition, since wifi doesn't currently use UHF (might soon though), it wasn't invented in 1971. Or are you saying that all passenger transport was invented by the first guy on a horse? Since it does take you from point A to point B.

    Aaand... there's more than one stick to that bow anyway. It's the networking that is critical, and it took more than one technology to do it. But they got there first. Hence the patent fights (and wins).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    Well then under your definition, since wifi doesn't currently use UHF (might soon though), it wasn't invented in 1971. Or are you saying that all passenger transport was invented by the first guy on a horse? Since it does take you from point A to point B.

    Aaand... there's more than one stick to that bow anyway. It's the networking that is critical, and it took more than one technology to do it. But they got there first. Hence the patent fights (and wins).
    Wifi is packet based wireless networking. You're picking hairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Wifi is packet based wireless networking. You're picking hairs.
    That would be you. It is wireless networking that is the important part there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    That would be you. It is wireless networking that is the important part there.
    Which was ALOHAnet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Which was ALOHAnet.
    Over radio frequencies. Good for them. It even goes further I imagine. They fixed a problem others didn't know they had (because then, they didn't). But if you want your big boys to pay their fees to the Hawaiians instead of CSIRO, they can just change to UHF, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    Or are you saying that all passenger transport was invented by the first guy on a horse? Since it does take you from point A to point B.
    first mean of transport was legs, for humans that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Wifi is packet based wireless networking. You're picking hairs.
    It's "splitting hairs." Carry on the argument with the convicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    first mean of transport was legs, for humans that is.
    And dinosaurs.
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