Suicide by gun

[Sapient]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/...-suicides.html

The article is advocating gun control to reduce suicide.

Am I one of the few who thinks suicide is a human right and wouldn't be a reason used to justify measures.

[The Blazin1]

Gin does make people do irrational things. Those people should drink less gin.

[Sapient]

Gin does make people do irrational things. Those people should drink less gin.

Wrong thread.

Damn, nvm. Fixed.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

There are other methods of suicide!

Suicide is not a human right!

[Eric Rasputin]

There are other methods of suicide!

Suicide is not a human right!

I think he knows that. He's saying that it should be. Probably

[The Blazin1]

It's a privilege.

[Sapient]

I think he knows that. He's saying that it should be. Probably

It's definitely a human right. Anyone can kill themselves.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

It's definitely a human right. Anyone can kill themselves.

Anyone can do one type of a crime or another, that does not make it a human right.

[ECH0]

Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.

[Eric Rasputin]

Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.

The irony.

[The Blazin1]

You think Eric? Do you think that was ironic? Great job Captain obvious.

[ArabChuckNorris]

Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.

That's reasonable

[The Burninator]

Death penalty for anyone

Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.

[Foley]

Quote Originally Posted by ECH0
Death penalty for anyone
Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.

I approve.

[Sapient]

Anyone can do one type of a crime or another, that does not make it a human right.

Who the victim of the crime?

[The Blazin1]

Who the victim of the crime?

Their family.

[Flossie Schmumpus]

They would have to hold a trial, it might be a relief for the family.

[The Blazin1]

Who hurt you floss?

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.

You should put it for everyone, so they all become equally treated

[Woden]

Am I one of the few who thinks suicide is a human right and wouldn't be a reason used to justify measures.

Nah, I'm in full agreement.

[The Burninator]

Nah, I'm in full agreement.

I'm in tentative agreement. It might make sense to have some regulations around it. I'd want there to be a process. Process goal -- prove you're not suffering from a treatable mental disorder and making a considered choice that ought to be respected (whether or not I agree with the reasons, there is a difference between the treatable symptoms of depression speaking, and a choice you've made). But I haven't considered the implications of this fully, so I would be prepared to back off this position if someone showed me why it would be bad.

[Rokchick]

I certainly don't think suicide should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Guns should not be available just so people can easily kill themselves. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every sad teenager is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against guns. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.

[The Burninator]

I largely agree with the way Rok put it.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

I certainly don't think suicide should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Guns should not be available just so people can easily kill themselves. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every sad teenager is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against guns. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.

Overdose on some non-prescription drugs, or consuming some cleaning products can cause or lead to death. Knifes also can be used to suicide. you have many things to regulate. It would be crazy to do so, for the .01% (of not less) who do suicide!

[Meherrin]

As a person living with chronic pain and several medical conditions that will only get worse over time, not better, I believe that suicide is an absolute right. No one but me can know when life becomes unbearable.

I don't accept the "but not if they're depressed" caveat, either. Depression is often a response to unbearable conditions, not the reason they seem unbearable.

[Sapient]

Overdose on some non-prescription drugs, or consuming some cleaning products can cause or lead to death. Knifes also can be used to suicide. you have many things to regulate. It would be crazy to do so, for the .01% (of not less) who do suicide!

We had a kid in boot camp who drank bleach. Started vomiting blood after a few minutes

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

We had a kid in boot camp who drank bleach. Started vomiting blood after a few minutes

What was s/he trying to bleach? some germs, or thought bleaching red blood cells make them white, thus increase immunity?

[Sapient]

What was s/he trying to bleach? some germs, or thought bleaching red blood cells make them white, thus increase immunity?

Attempted suicide. After that, we weren't allowed access to certain chemicals and everything else was locked up at all times.

[Woden]

As a person living with chronic pain and several medical conditions that will only get worse over time, not better, I believe that suicide is an absolute right. No one but me can know when life becomes unbearable.

I don't accept the "but not if they're depressed" caveat, either. Depression is often a response to unbearable conditions, not the reason they seem unbearable.

Not only that, but depression isn't always treatable, and can be absolutely unbearable to live through.

I really don't understand how anyone can support suicide to end traumatic physical pain, but not to end traumatic psychological pain.

[Eric Rasputin]

If suicide does become legal and a human right... Then only people above 30 years old should be granted that privilege.
Anyone below 30 should be sent to a shrink.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

Also, for climate change believers, suicide would reduce people, thus reduce carbon production, 4 metric tons is the yearly average per person!

Get rid of those who made global warming, those evil humans, the ugly carbon producing machines, arrrghhh!!!

[Eric Rasputin]

Also, for climate change believers, suicide would reduce people, thus reduce carbon production, 4 metric tons is the yearly average per person!

Get rid of those who made global warming, those evil humans, the ugly carbon producing machines, arrrghhh!!!

Believers? Lol ... Climate change is not a religion. It is a well established fact.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

Believers? Lol ... Climate change is not a religion. It is a well established fact.

Thus a religion (or a cult), since a non fact is considered fact. (the definition that human is the major cause, when before ever the first ape was born the climate was already changing)

[cofc]

I certainly don't think abortion should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Abortions should not be available just so people can easily kill other humans. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every human is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against abortion. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.

Interesting inconsistent view you have there.

[Rokchick]

Interesting inconsistent view you have there.

Seriously, leave me out of your fantasies. Go pick on someone else. I suspect you have mummy issues, but really, Floss is a better stand in than me.

[Meherrin]

I hate to argue based on something cofc said, but then, even a stopped clock is right once a day (twice if it's not a 24 hour clock). I base my support for abortion on a person's absolute right to bodily autonomy, and my support for suicide and euthanasia on the same ground. My body. I choose whether it remains pregnant or not, I choose whether it remains alive or not.

[н-υ-п-т-ε-я]

Materialism, thus moral decay!

[cofc]

Seriously, my fantasies involve killing humans through abortion.

Cool.

[Rokchick]

I hate to argue based on something cofc said, but then, even a stopped clock is right once a day (twice if it's not a 24 hour clock). I base my support for abortion on a person's absolute right to bodily autonomy, and my support for suicide and euthanasia on the same ground. My body. I choose whether it remains pregnant or not, I choose whether it remains alive or not.

Abortion isn't easy. You don't get access to it without consultation. And it isn't suicide. A hormonal teenager, wracked with angst often decides life is not worth living. If they attempt suicide with a gun, they rarely get a chance to reconsider. I agree with the right to suicide, just not an unfettered access to immediate means. I also think assisted suicide should be legal in some circumstances. Drinking bleach is horrific and painful. That choice should never be the only option.

[Eric Rasputin]

Thus a religion (or a cult), since a non fact is considered fact. (the definition that human is the major cause, when before ever the first ape was born the climate was already changing)

Because scientists said that climate change is real, you group them into a religion? They are the only ones qualified to tell it.

The climate has been changing even before human intervention. But humans made it worse is what I'm saying. The ozone hole is a good example.