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    https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/...-suicides.html

    The article is advocating gun control to reduce suicide.

    Am I one of the few who thinks suicide is a human right and wouldn't be a reason used to justify measures.
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    Gin does make people do irrational things. Those people should drink less gin.
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    Gin does make people do irrational things. Those people should drink less gin.
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    There are other methods of suicide!

    Suicide is not a human right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    There are other methods of suicide!

    Suicide is not a human right!
    I think he knows that. He's saying that it should be. Probably
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    It's a privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    I think he knows that. He's saying that it should be. Probably
    It's definitely a human right. Anyone can kill themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    It's definitely a human right. Anyone can kill themselves.
    Anyone can do one type of a crime or another, that does not make it a human right.

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    Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.
    The irony.
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    You think Eric? Do you think that was ironic? Great job Captain obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    Death penalty for anyone who dares to try to commit suicide.
    That's reasonable

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    Death penalty for anyone
    Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0
    Death penalty for anyone
    Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.
    I approve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Anyone can do one type of a crime or another, that does not make it a human right.

    Who the victim of the crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Who the victim of the crime?
    Their family.
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    You should quote yourself. It's like liking your Facebook status or high-fiving yourself in the mirror.

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    They would have to hold a trial, it might be a relief for the family.
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    Who hurt you floss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Your quote was too long so I fixed it. It's better now.
    You should put it for everyone, so they all become equally treated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    Am I one of the few who thinks suicide is a human right and wouldn't be a reason used to justify measures.
    Nah, I'm in full agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woden View Post
    Nah, I'm in full agreement.
    I'm in tentative agreement. It might make sense to have some regulations around it. I'd want there to be a process. Process goal -- prove you're not suffering from a treatable mental disorder and making a considered choice that ought to be respected (whether or not I agree with the reasons, there is a difference between the treatable symptoms of depression speaking, and a choice you've made). But I haven't considered the implications of this fully, so I would be prepared to back off this position if someone showed me why it would be bad.

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    I certainly don't think suicide should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Guns should not be available just so people can easily kill themselves. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every sad teenager is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against guns. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.
    I'm glad I'm not judgemental like all you smug, superficial idiots

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    I largely agree with the way Rok put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    I certainly don't think suicide should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Guns should not be available just so people can easily kill themselves. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every sad teenager is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against guns. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.
    Overdose on some non-prescription drugs, or consuming some cleaning products can cause or lead to death. Knifes also can be used to suicide. you have many things to regulate. It would be crazy to do so, for the .01% (of not less) who do suicide!
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    As a person living with chronic pain and several medical conditions that will only get worse over time, not better, I believe that suicide is an absolute right. No one but me can know when life becomes unbearable.

    I don't accept the "but not if they're depressed" caveat, either. Depression is often a response to unbearable conditions, not the reason they seem unbearable.
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Overdose on some non-prescription drugs, or consuming some cleaning products can cause or lead to death. Knifes also can be used to suicide. you have many things to regulate. It would be crazy to do so, for the .01% (of not less) who do suicide!
    We had a kid in boot camp who drank bleach. Started vomiting blood after a few minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapient View Post
    We had a kid in boot camp who drank bleach. Started vomiting blood after a few minutes
    What was s/he trying to bleach? some germs, or thought bleaching red blood cells make them white, thus increase immunity?

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    What was s/he trying to bleach? some germs, or thought bleaching red blood cells make them white, thus increase immunity?

    Attempted suicide. After that, we weren't allowed access to certain chemicals and everything else was locked up at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meherrin View Post
    As a person living with chronic pain and several medical conditions that will only get worse over time, not better, I believe that suicide is an absolute right. No one but me can know when life becomes unbearable.

    I don't accept the "but not if they're depressed" caveat, either. Depression is often a response to unbearable conditions, not the reason they seem unbearable.
    Not only that, but depression isn't always treatable, and can be absolutely unbearable to live through.

    I really don't understand how anyone can support suicide to end traumatic physical pain, but not to end traumatic psychological pain.

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    If suicide does become legal and a human right... Then only people above 30 years old should be granted that privilege.
    Anyone below 30 should be sent to a shrink.
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    Also, for climate change believers, suicide would reduce people, thus reduce carbon production, 4 metric tons is the yearly average per person!

    Get rid of those who made global warming, those evil humans, the ugly carbon producing machines, arrrghhh!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Also, for climate change believers, suicide would reduce people, thus reduce carbon production, 4 metric tons is the yearly average per person!

    Get rid of those who made global warming, those evil humans, the ugly carbon producing machines, arrrghhh!!!
    Believers? Lol ... Climate change is not a religion. It is a well established fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Believers? Lol ... Climate change is not a religion. It is a well established fact.
    Thus a religion (or a cult), since a non fact is considered fact. (the definition that human is the major cause, when before ever the first ape was born the climate was already changing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    I certainly don't think abortion should be illegal. But it should not be easy, either. Abortions should not be available just so people can easily kill other humans. Same with lethal drugs. Otherwise every human is at risk. I don't necessarily think it is the best argument against abortion. It's not needed. There's plenty flying around lately.
    Interesting inconsistent view you have there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofc View Post
    Interesting inconsistent view you have there.
    Seriously, leave me out of your fantasies. Go pick on someone else. I suspect you have mummy issues, but really, Floss is a better stand in than me.
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    I hate to argue based on something cofc said, but then, even a stopped clock is right once a day (twice if it's not a 24 hour clock). I base my support for abortion on a person's absolute right to bodily autonomy, and my support for suicide and euthanasia on the same ground. My body. I choose whether it remains pregnant or not, I choose whether it remains alive or not.
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
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    Materialism, thus moral decay!
    Quote Originally Posted by Avicenna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    Seriously, my fantasies involve killing humans through abortion.
    Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meherrin View Post
    I hate to argue based on something cofc said, but then, even a stopped clock is right once a day (twice if it's not a 24 hour clock). I base my support for abortion on a person's absolute right to bodily autonomy, and my support for suicide and euthanasia on the same ground. My body. I choose whether it remains pregnant or not, I choose whether it remains alive or not.
    Abortion isn't easy. You don't get access to it without consultation. And it isn't suicide. A hormonal teenager, wracked with angst often decides life is not worth living. If they attempt suicide with a gun, they rarely get a chance to reconsider. I agree with the right to suicide, just not an unfettered access to immediate means. I also think assisted suicide should be legal in some circumstances. Drinking bleach is horrific and painful. That choice should never be the only option.
    I'm glad I'm not judgemental like all you smug, superficial idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Thus a religion (or a cult), since a non fact is considered fact. (the definition that human is the major cause, when before ever the first ape was born the climate was already changing)
    Because scientists said that climate change is real, you group them into a religion? They are the only ones qualified to tell it.

    The climate has been changing even before human intervention. But humans made it worse is what I'm saying. The ozone hole is a good example.
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