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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Look who is catching on, I didn't see you mention it, so I am going to point out that the "king" for the night, will not know he/she is king.
    So, I think their vote will be considered as the lynch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    So, I think their vote will be considered as the lynch?
    Correct
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    Vote: Kerzi
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Look who is catching on, I didn't see you mention it, so I am going to point out that the "king" for the night, will not know he/she is king.
    But should still want their own faction to win.
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    Yes.

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    Patients suffering delusional episodes often focus their paranoia on an external tormentor. Usually one conforming to Jungian archetypes. In this case, a scarecrow.

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    I have not received anything so the first day will be prolonged...

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    Patients suffering delusional episodes often focus their paranoia on an external tormentor. Usually one conforming to Jungian archetypes. In this case, a scarecrow.

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    Ooooh! Scummy....

    ECHO,Meg,walker and Flossie are guilty.
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    Unless they have a valid reason, that makes them even more guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Ooooh! Scummy....

    ECHO,Meg,walker and Flossie are guilty.
    This.

    unvote: vote: Ech0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    But should still want their own faction to win.
    5PM +10 GMT. Isn't that in an hour?
    That's what I have been saying, if I get selected king one night, I would like the odds of killing scum greater than my odds of killing townies. I'm not sure why anyone is even arguing this point and it seems suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    I have not received anything so the first day will be prolonged...
    This strongly suspicions everyone who hasn't posted yet. I don't think Eric got the list of non-posters right so let me check "Who Posted?"

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    Explain your list Eric -- only non-poster is mullion (sorry Meg).

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    That was kind of an odd post, and it came out of left field.
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    I didn't actually look if everyone posted. But in my mind those guys and gal's had not posted. Seems like I was wrong.

    And Blaze, how is it that if you are selected as king you will have a better chance of targeting Mafia than the others?
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    Reading comprehension, you're doing it wrong.
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    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    Wait, was that intentional? Are you purposely not understanding me because you just got called out on your 4 inactives claim?
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    Oh yeah... Sorry mate... I must be high
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Wait, was that intentional? Are you purposely not understanding me because you just got called out on your 4 inactives claim?
    Nope. It was an honest mistake. And Burn pointed it out.
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    In light of this I strongly recommend that we all do this:

    Unvote:
    Vote: Mullion

    Pursuant to the pile-on stratagem.

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    unvote
    vote mullion
    Quote Originally Posted by Baron D'Holbach View Post
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    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    The kingmaker selects a king for the next day (because we don't have days and nights here), and not after seeing who has voted for whom. This is all I understood (might be wrong), and now Burn you might want to read my last post again.
    I assumed that voting in blocks would serve as a method of elimination.

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    So Mullion is either assassin or kingmaker? SC said he hadn't received anything, I assume that means the king pick as well. But our votes don't matter today anyway, since there is no king yet, and hence no lynch.
    So, I'll stick with my blazey.
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    Or the GF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Baron D'Holbach View Post
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    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    So Mullion is either assassin or kingmaker? SC said he hadn't received anything, I assume that means the king pick as well. But our votes don't matter today anyway, since there is no king yet, and hence no lynch.
    So, I'll stick with my blazey.
    50/50 is pretty good odds on any player........ ... ...... .. .. .. ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    50/50 is pretty good odds on any player........ ... ...... .. .. .. ......
    Actually it's better than that. More than one assassin?
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    How do you know there is more than one assassin?
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    You should quote yourself. It's like liking your Facebook status or high-fiving yourself in the mirror.

    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    I'm going back and forth on the pros/cons of block voting. But I keep coming back to this:

    The vote of the King is absolute. If I am King (keeping in mind I would not know this) anyone I vote for is potentially mafia. If I consistently simply vote, each night, who I think may be mafia I have the chance to catch one on the night the Kingmaker descends from the clouds and places an invisible crown upon my head. If we are block voting, though, and mafia happen to steer the vote away from themeslves, I am essentially forced to follow (via pre-determined peer led voting) with a vote on someone who, in retrospect, is absolutely town.

    My logic may be wrong here. But if we don't block vote, town has the opportunity to catch a mafia each time. If we do block vote, there is the chance that mafia can control the play each time, or at least enough to affect the ultimate outcome of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    This.

    unvote: vote: Ech0
    Um why?

    [insert line break because I couldn't find the feature]

    I think we would notice if there are a few individuals who consistently try to lead the block vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Pursuant to the pile-on stratagem.
    I won't be pursuanting a pile-on strategem.

    Voting in blocks is a terrible idea.

    1) Block voting gives mafia a huge advantage in controlling votes. They would only have to speak up first and sway a following.
    2) Block voting prevents us from discerning who is mafia from their votes. I'm still sorta new so I'm not sure if this is done anyway, but we will have nothing to go off of with block voting.
    3) There is also a slight advantage possible from deducing who is king, and from that, who is kingmaker.

    And suspicion on vote leaders would make town even more timid to lead the vote, further encroaching on our power.

    Say if there are three mafia, and we are voting in blocks, there is a 9 in 12 chance we will vote for town, if it is purely random.
    However, Mafia KNOWS who is town, and WE don't.
    They will likely fight for us to change our votes, and they have more direction than we do.

    However, if we have open voting, they'll have a 3 in 12 chance of killing one of us, but we'll have a 3 in 12 chance of killing one of them. This evens out the odds.

    Open voting means we won't become prey to their plotting. We're leaving more up to chance, but less up to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    Um why?

    [insert line break because I couldn't find the feature]

    I think we would notice if there are a few individuals who consistently try to lead the block vote.
    I'm voting for you because you won't dual with me :P
    And also because the KP was delayed for inactivity - and, just like last time, you have been online on the forums without voting (other than blazin N1, which is always a given, and, in a round with no N1 lynchings, inconsequential). I think you're, once again, mafia but not godfather.
    Last edited by Gibby; 07-08-2017 at 08:39 PM. Reason: idk how that got messed up sry
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    I have a gut feeling that Deadpool could be Mafia. It's been a while since I have seen him in a scum role.
    A gut feeling is all.
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    Another argument against block voting is that because the assassins cannot vote for each other, because there is always a risk they may be chosen as king and get their partner lynched even if they only have one vote against them, although now I've written that I've realised that they would stand out by avoiding voting for each other in block voting as well.

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    EBWODP: What I mean by my previous post is that in a normal game, mafia will vote for a partner who either has very few or very many votes against them, because it won't affect the lynch anyway, whereas in this voting for a partner makes it more likely they will be lynched regardless of how many other votes they have against them.

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    Eric, so far you have accused 6 people of being scum before the first lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Eric, so far you have accused 6 people of being scum before the first lynch.
    I know, that's how we play this game. Truth be told, I am accusing a lot more than I used and I don't know why. It's a wonderful feeling when you have nothing to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    EBWODP: What I mean by my previous post is that in a normal game, mafia will vote for a partner who either has very few or very many votes against them, because it won't affect the lynch anyway, whereas in this voting for a partner makes it more likely they will be lynched regardless of how many other votes they have against them.
    And that makes complete sense as well.

    i don't know that there's a 'right' answer to this debate. We are running out of time to come to a group consensus, though, regarding what we do once the King is crowned.
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    Whatever you guys think, but it seems to me that just picking names and randomly hoping to kill scum works as much against us as it does for us, probably more so in their favor. It's basically the same as the majority vote, but while we don't know whose vote will count, the more people on one target increases our chances of having the lynch fall on that person. As far as I'm concerned if we don't try and work as a team this round will turn into a grudge match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    As far as I'm concerned if we don't try and work as a team this round will turn into a grudge match.
    This kind of sounds self serving. Do you really believe it's the best option, or are you simply going with this because you know Eric and Rok will probably vote for you?
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    I'm not sure how you see it as self serving, last time I checked I had the vote count for it to work against me. Random voting, IMO, just gives scum a chance to say oops, I was wrong. How do you pattern a player like that when the king changes each night?
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    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    The current vote count is irrelevant Blaze, and you know it. The assassins are the ones we need to worry about, not grudges.
    I'm glad to see that as soon as someone else points out the issues with block voting you are more convinced, though.
    I think the best option is probably to have more than one on each lynch. That way, the kingmaker is more obscured from the assassins, while we still get some info. If an assassin gets lynched, we know at least one of those who voted for them is not an assassin (pretty sure the assassins should try really hard to avoid voting for each other this round). The kingmaker is also the only conftown we will get so we also have benefit in finding that out as soon as the assassins do.
    Burns "but they can work out who the kingmaker is as well" is invalid, because there will just be a new kingmaker if they are killed, but the assassins won't regenerate.
    I say we go for a double up on all votes, and the first to vote for a town lynch in each "pair" is only slightly more sus, if at all (because the assassins will probably try to jump on a town lynch lead in this scenario, rather than lead themselves).

    So... the options are do we:
    Block vote all together
    Make 2 or 3 blocks
    vote as pairs
    vote everyone differently

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