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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    The current vote count is irrelevant Blaze, and you know it. The assassins are the ones we need to worry about, not grudges.
    I'm glad to see that as soon as someone else points out the issues with block voting you are more convinced, though.
    I think the best option is probably to have more than one on each lynch. That way, the kingmaker is more obscured from the assassins, while we still get some info. If an assassin gets lynched, we know at least one of those who voted for them is not an assassin (pretty sure the assassins should try really hard to avoid voting for each other this round). The kingmaker is also the only conftown we will get so we also have benefit in finding that out as soon as the assassins do.
    Burns "but they can work out who the kingmaker is as well" is invalid, because there will just be a new kingmaker if they are killed, but the assassins won't regenerate.
    I say we go for a double up on all votes, and the first to vote for a town lynch in each "pair" is only slightly more sus, if at all (because the assassins will probably try to jump on a town lynch lead in this scenario, rather than lead themselves).

    So... the options are do we:
    Block vote all together
    Make 2 or 3 blocks
    vote as pairs
    vote everyone differently

    Thoughts?
    If the kingmaker is killed, every piece of information they have gleaned is lost. Idk why you'd think that was an OK outcome unless you were an assassin.

    FoS: Rok.

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    vote Blazin

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    If the kingmaker is killed, every piece of information they have gleaned is lost. Idk why you'd think that was an OK outcome unless you were an assassin.

    FoS: Rok.

    Current mafia team is mullion and Rok.
    I don't think it's OK. I just think giving them more information is more valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    The current vote count is irrelevant Blaze, and you know it. The assassins are the ones we need to worry about, not grudges.
    I'm glad to see that as soon as someone else points out the issues with block voting you are more convinced, though.
    I think the best option is probably to have more than one on each lynch. That way, the kingmaker is more obscured from the assassins, while we still get some info. If an assassin gets lynched, we know at least one of those who voted for them is not an assassin (pretty sure the assassins should try really hard to avoid voting for each other this round). The kingmaker is also the only conftown we will get so we also have benefit in finding that out as soon as the assassins do.
    Burns "but they can work out who the kingmaker is as well" is invalid, because there will just be a new kingmaker if they are killed, but the assassins won't regenerate.
    I say we go for a double up on all votes, and the first to vote for a town lynch in each "pair" is only slightly more sus, if at all (because the assassins will probably try to jump on a town lynch lead in this scenario, rather than lead themselves).

    So... the options are do we:
    Block vote all together
    Make 2 or 3 blocks
    vote as pairs
    vote everyone differently

    Thoughts?
    That's the thing, the vote count is not irrelevant, it's based on odds. More votes=more likely to be lynched. You can see that.
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    That's something else, the king maker will vote just like everyone else, it would take days to figure out didn't have have the killing vote, let alone all KM has to do is double one and no one would know who was king. Why are you confusing the game more than it already is?
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    Everyone should vote for someone else. That'll be a good way of finding out the king. Although it quite pointless since we will only know it after the kill.
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    I'm pretty sure the king maker is someone who is smart. SC is experimenting this round to see if rounds like this is viable for the future.
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    And we would want to find out the king why?
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    KP1
    A king was nominated.
    Flossie was killed by the assasins and was a vanilla town.

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    Vote : Deadpool
    Reason: Instinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Vote : Deadpool
    Reason: Instinct.
    Seriously? Your instincts are so wrong.

    The only person I doubt at the moment is Burn. His logic and his suggestions have been 'weird'. And also, who all voted for Floss? I believe most people voted for blazin, so this should make the king easier to identify.

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    EBWOP: Just realized the king did not kill Flossie. Nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod Deadpool View Post
    Seriously? Your instincts are so wrong.

    The only person I doubt at the moment is Burn. His logic and his suggestions have been 'weird'. And also, who all voted for Floss? I believe most people voted for blazin, so this should make the king easier to identify.
    Huh?

    1) the assassins killed Floss last night.

    2) there was no vote yesterday, because the king was selected last night

    3) we're not hunting the king, a position that changes every night. We're hunting the assassins.


    Are you trying to confuse people, or did you really just not understand?
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    EBWODP: I see you got one of the points I mentioned, while I was posting
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    Vote: m.walker.m

    Guys please follow this vote -- SC didn't do KP1 due to not receiving a role, and there was only one inactive yesterday. KP1 was posted soon after m.walker.m posted. The odds on m.walker.m being GF are significantly greater than the odds on anything else. This includes Eric's "gut."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Vote: m.walker.m

    Guys please follow this vote -- SC didn't do KP1 due to not receiving a role, and there was only one inactive yesterday. KP1 was posted soon after m.walker.m posted. The odds on m.walker.m being GF are significantly greater than the odds on anything else. This includes Eric's "gut."
    Yeah. Makes sense. At least some of us should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Vote: m.walker.m

    Guys please follow this vote -- SC didn't do KP1 due to not receiving a role, and there was only one inactive yesterday. KP1 was posted soon after m.walker.m posted. The odds on m.walker.m being GF are significantly greater than the odds on anything else. This includes Eric's "gut."
    Post 12, Burn. He was one of the first to vote.

    Mullion is the only one to have not posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Explain your list Eric -- only non-poster is mullion (sorry Meg).
    Mostly because today was full of drama and I failed to get online long enough to post in here. I have finally caught up.

    As usual, I am confused. Normal state of affairs whatever the time of day.

    Vote: Eric
    Because he accused enough people to confuse me even further. I followed some of your logic but not nearly as much as Kerri's logic.

    Sorry, Eric. Confused Meg is confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerzi View Post
    Huh?

    1) the assassins killed Floss last night.

    2) there was no vote yesterday, because the king was selected last night

    3) we're not hunting the king, a position that changes every night. We're hunting the assassins.


    Are you trying to confuse people, or did you really just not understand?
    Knowing who the king was, gives us some information to work with. Also, tells us that (unless we have less than 5 people left) that person cannot be king again so their votes do not matter.

    I addressed 2 of your points in my other post. All I said was, that if we manage to get an idea who the king was on a specific night, we have some information to work with. Otherwise, there are no doctors, detectives, roleblockers, etc to give us any info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Vote: m.walker.m

    Guys please follow this vote -- SC didn't do KP1 due to not receiving a role, and there was only one inactive yesterday. KP1 was posted soon after m.walker.m posted. The odds on m.walker.m being GF are significantly greater than the odds on anything else. This includes Eric's "gut."
    Yeah, no. He posted early on and did vote for Kerzi, I believe.

    Add one more post to TB's weird suggestions. FoS: Burn

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    You're right -- I mixed m.walker and mullion. My mistake.

    Unvote: m.walker
    Vote: mullion

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    Oops following a broken train.
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    Vote mullion
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    Analysis is pointless in this round I think. The king maker does not control the lynch, nor does the King. All the villagers can do is to vote for whoever we think is mafia(like my gut) and hope for the best. The only ones having fun are the assassins.

    SC, should the king maker only select a new king during kp time or whenever he or she wants? Because if it is whenever, then the king maker controls the lynch by selecting a person who voted for another person hoping they are Mafia. There not much that the villagers can do.
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    Unvote: Vote: mullion
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    voteMullion
    However, is it possible Mullin is the king maker and was inactive? That would account for the delay in KP.
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    It is certainly possible.

    However, it's either that or mafia most likely.

    I don't believe that we lose anything by killing the kingmaker...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    It is certainly possible.

    However, it's either that or mafia most likely.

    I don't believe that we lose anything by killing the kingmaker...

    We kill a townie instead of a mafia. But I'm still so new, I'm voting with the pack.
    vote Mullion

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.walker.m View Post
    We kill a townie instead of a mafia. But I'm still so new, I'm voting with the pack.
    vote Mullion
    Right but there's a lot more support towards mullion being mafia than anyone else. Currently we were just voting on blazin as a block but for no real reason. There's a reason we suspect mullion is mafia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    It is certainly possible.

    However, it's either that or mafia most likely.

    I don't believe that we lose anything by killing the kingmaker...
    We absolutely DO lose something if we kill the kingmaker. They are the only one with a 'bird's eye view' so to speak.

    And that's why I'm worried about this vote. I realize 50/50 is the best we have right now, but it's 50/50 Kingmaker/mafia.

    vote: mullion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerzi View Post
    We absolutely DO lose something if we kill the kingmaker. They are the only one with a 'bird's eye view' so to speak.

    And that's why I'm worried about this vote. I realize 50/50 is the best we have right now, but it's 50/50 Kingmaker/mafia.

    vote: mullion
    What information could the kingmaker have gleaned so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Analysis is pointless in this round I think. The king maker does not control the lynch, nor does the King. All the villagers can do is to vote for whoever we think is mafia(like my gut) and hope for the best. The only ones having fun are the assassins.

    SC, should the king maker only select a new king during kp time or whenever he or she wants? Because if it is whenever, then the king maker controls the lynch by selecting a person who voted for another person hoping they are Mafia. There not much that the villagers can do.
    The King changes only at night.

    And I absolutely disagree that no analysis can be done, or that there is not much Town can do. This round EVERY SINGLE VOTE could potentially be THE vote that catches an assassin. You keep saying DP is your gut. Your ONE vote on DP would count, should you be crowned King that day. If you feel that strongly about it, convince us tomorrow (assuming we're block voting again...I'd actually like to try both 'theories' to see which one gives us more info overall, as I'm still straddling the pros and cons of each option).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    What information could the kingmaker have gleaned so far?
    Nothing so far. They will need to watch over a few days.

    And this is, again, the disadvantage of block voting. Less to see, in terms of voting patterns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerzi View Post
    Nothing so far. They will need to watch over a few days.

    And this is, again, the disadvantage of block voting. Less to see, in terms of voting patterns.
    So there's no issue in voting for him now though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECH0 View Post
    So there's no issue in voting for him now though?
    That's one less day they have.

    It comes down to this: If I was mafia, the Kingmaker is THE player I would want to find and kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerzi View Post
    That's one less day they have.

    It comes down to this: If I was mafia, the Kingmaker is THE player I would want to find and kill.
    Taking a look at the current votes, the kingmaker shouldn't die tonight.

    And, I'm having trouble seeing how the Kingmaker has access to more information than the rest of us do.
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    vote: Eric
    reason: gut feeling.

    FOS: burn.
    Reason: you're usually smarter than this. And we saw what happened the last time you tried to flatter the illogical posters...
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    Gibby -- you need to explain what you think is wrong with my logic. Kerzi is currently making the same case I have made. I am currently attempting to flatter no one. I am a VT this round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
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    However, is it possible Mullin is the king maker and was inactive? That would account for the delay in KP.
    It's 50:50 kingmaker:assassin.

    Vote: Mullion

    Given Burn's aggression and sometimes faulty logic, if Mullion is innocent I'm voting for Burn tomorrow.

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    Can the king maker not elect a king he or she wishes to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Can the king maker not elect a king he or she wishes to do so?
    That's literally what he does.. why do you keep running in circles? I have a hard time believing you don't know that, first you voted all over the place, now you are playing dumb lIke you don know how the game works when we hAve been dis cussing it non-stop. That is suspicious to say the least.
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