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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    I like to register early so I don't get boxed out of a spot. I activate when I'm ready to play.
    boxed out of a spot? What does this mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    boxed out of a spot? What does this mean?
    That means if registration gets cut off because of capacity, I'm not left out in the cold.
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    How many hours of sleep should I get? I have a trio set up for s4 24/7. From what time to what time PST I am only 12 so I am kind of curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helpa1 View Post
    How many hours of sleep should I get? I have a trio set up for s4 24/7. From what time to what time PST I am only 12 so I am kind of curious.
    This is not a question... You NEVER sleep unless it is with one eye open watching your village\villages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    This is not a question... You NEVER sleep unless it is with one eye open watching your village\villages.
    Don't listen to him. You'll eventually get so tired that you send hatemail to huge alliances but you don't even know it. What time zones are they???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    Raiding while in BP yourself is a blast. You can farm and farm and not get touched for 3 whole days.
    IAWTC. Also, if you are surrounded by noobs, speaking as someone who remembers her noob period, your tactic of raiding constantly is likely to intimidate most of your neighbors into never trying anything with you. You will occasionally land a wiseacre who thinks that attacking you back once you're out of BP will scare you into stopping, but most of them will just hunker down. They'll probably cranny up, but 99.9 percent of noobs do not dual, and they have to sleep sometime.

    So it's not just good from an economic point of view, it is also good insurance against resource *loss*. If they're afraid to attack you, they're not gonna take anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danaseilhan View Post
    IAWTC. Also, if you are surrounded by noobs, speaking as someone who remembers her noob period, your tactic of raiding constantly is likely to intimidate most of your neighbors into never trying anything with you. You will occasionally land a wiseacre who thinks that attacking you back once you're out of BP will scare you into stopping, but most of them will just hunker down. They'll probably cranny up, but 99.9 percent of noobs do not dual, and they have to sleep sometime.

    So it's not just good from an economic point of view, it is also good insurance against resource *loss*. If they're afraid to attack you, they're not gonna take anything.
    If this happens (surrounded by noobs) pound the crap out of them 24x7. For the first few weeks there is a very good chance if you discourage them enough to delete and restart you will get new farms. If you let them sit around and try to cranny up that is a spot that could have been filled by noob farm.

    On the other item any other player I can easily farm that attempts to attack me after BP I just let my 25-50 mace men cream their 3-10 they think are going to get revenge from me with. This most likely leads to a delete and a brand new farm. Now that is worth a few mace men.
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    nice guide but you can actually make 3 macemen off the start

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    Quote Originally Posted by burton View Post
    nice guide but you can actually make 3 macemen off the start
    When did I say you couldn't? Actually I think I said it's quite possible. Did you read the whole thing?

    "Don’t be alarmed by the wood requirement for a third maceman (810). Obviously you could wait the extra couple of hours necessary to get the third Maceman"
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan2829 View Post
    For the second village - 5 clayer: Preliminary Cata Base with small escort / Clay Supply is it best to then move your cata base to a 15c or a 9c?
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    I wouldn't put catas in a 15c or 9c. I use the 15c for a hammer and a 9c for a massive raiding force.
    What village would you put the catas in? I thought they would of went in the 15c so you can send a massive clearing wave and the catas in the same second.

    What sort of -wheat would you be running in you 9c?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helpa1 View Post
    How many hours of sleep should I get? I have a trio set up for s4 24/7. From what time to what time PST I am only 12 so I am kind of curious.
    If you're 12 years old then you should be getting at least 10 hours of sleep on school nights and 8 on the weekends.
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
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    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    If this happens (surrounded by noobs) pound the crap out of them 24x7. For the first few weeks there is a very good chance if you discourage them enough to delete and restart you will get new farms. If you let them sit around and try to cranny up that is a spot that could have been filled by noob farm.
    Getting crannied up on isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen to a Teuton raider. Crannies eventually reach their breaking point. Once a leak is sprung it's just a matter of time before the whole thing ruptures. You just have to be consistent with your raids to make sure that the resources they have aren't enough to build anything... well anything but more crannies. Eventually they'll have to abandon ship if they've got 8 crannies going... then you can just send the cats later unless they delete.

    The lesson here is that farms acting like farms (whining, crannying, leaving resources to be taken) are always going to be farms. No matter what a "farm" does, you can get to him.
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
    Khitan General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan2829 View Post
    What village would you put the catas in? I thought they would of went in the 15c so you can send a massive clearing wave and the catas in the same second.

    What sort of -wheat would you be running in you 9c?

    Thanks
    Ryan
    I always build my catas in a 5 clayer with very minimal escort. I clear from one place and cata from another, I stagger the attacks so that they're a second apart. I never do a major assault without being able to target two structures at once.

    My 9c is usually my every day raiding village full of maces and some pali's. I guess I can run anywhere from -5k to -10k on a bad day.
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
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    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    I always build my catas in a 5 clayer with very minimal escort. I clear from one place and cata from another, I stagger the attacks so that they're a second apart. I never do a major assault without being able to target two structures at once.

    My 9c is usually my every day raiding village full of maces and some pali's. I guess I can run anywhere from -5k to -10k on a bad day.
    With this have you ever encountered someone able to send out their troops and recall them in time to hit your cats? Within 1-2 seconds is it quite hard I have done it myself in 3-5 seconds. I guess if they had friends they would have reinforcements and not want to dodge the first wave as that would be a selfish act.

    I wanted to switch it up here and ask this. How often when you start 3 days into a server do you find you are surrounded by players in BP for 2-3 days like yourself? This would be quite evident if your the first one in your 7x7. This has happened to me on some new server starts and I wanted to find out how you handled this. What do you look for to ensure you have someone to hit on day one? Basically it sounds like your aiming for being placed where someone deleted three days ago. This seems hard to do as more than likely you will be placed on the rim with everyone else with 2 or 3 days of BP left.
    Last edited by dash-n-death; 11-22-2008 at 11:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    With this have you ever encountered someone able to send out their troops and recall them in time to hit your cats? .
    Not sure what you're asking exactly. I know if you try to dodge and you send your troops out within I think 30 seconds of the enemy attack time that they do meet up and engage each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    How often when you start 3 days into a server do you find you are surrounded by players in BP for 2-3 days like yourself? .
    More often now than in times past because this strategy has been over published to the masses. Now everyone is trying to get the ideal 7x7 farming ground. There are still enough n00bs out there to make it work. Sometimes I did have to restart servers because of a bad 7x7 situation. That's why I may push the 3 day rule a bit to even 5-7 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by dash-n-death View Post
    What do you look for to ensure you have someone to hit on day one?
    There's never any guarantee but the longer you hold out the account activation the more opportunity there is for success. There's no exact science here. It's all a dice roll and you just have to play the odds.
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
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    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    If you're 12 years old then you should be getting at least 10 hours of sleep on school nights and 8 on the weekends.
    LOL

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    I am 10 and only get 4 on the weekends... 6 on the school nights... I have issues...

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    kk idc how old this guide is cause i just now read it but yea this is amazing man i just started travian and i'm gonna follow this guide and see what happens but yea man i can tell you took a long time and effort into making it and you should be rewarded greatly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe'sSecretDinoClub View Post
    you should be rewarded greatly
    Wow, thanks for the sentiment... I hope you have success.
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
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    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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    Probably mentioned before; however, this is the problem I see with this strategy.

    I started a few days after server opened, and I cranked out my 3 maces asap, however, initially in that first day, all my neighbors are in BP also. This means my closest attack was 3 hours away...I got some resources, but it took 6 hours...now I am just waiting for the BP's to break getting closer to me I guess, but it is VERY slow starting this way because trying to raid early on like this is very hard because everyone else is in BP also!

    What do you think?

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    My solution to what I just posted (I hope):

    Delete existing.

    Re-register.

    Wait 2 days.

    Activate.

    If it works like I think it does, I will activate around people who are (hopefully) out of BP. /crosses fingers

    Does this work?

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    Pastulio,

    Take a look at what the guide says to do if your spawn spot is not ideal (i.e. no oasis or croppers or neighbors to farm or if everyone is new) I recommend deleting and restarting, and yes I've done it more than once on a server. The key to my guide is to start in the proper place. I never claimed to be able to help anyone no matter where they spawned.
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    Khitan General: We have won again. This is good! But what is best in life?
    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
    Khitan General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

    NAILZZ
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    Yea I read over that, I guess it just comes down to rolling the dice.

    Thanks Nailzz.

    I have about 48 Hours on BP still, and my closer raids are 2 hrs away, I may just stick with this.
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    I just started on a new server and I'm surrounded by people in BP but I WILL NOT delete. There are two 15cs in my 7x7 and one of them is touching my village square. Nope. Not going nowhere.

    Everyone in my 21x21 is in BP as far as I know, I have to raid from two to five hours away, but that's fine. I'll take the slow start in exchange for future prosperity.
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    Based on that, I'm in pretty good shape. Makes me feel alot better.

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    My husbands a Roman and I'm a Teuton. I like to club him and take him back to his home to make sweet love. Then when he falls asleep..........................

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    this guide works perfectly, thanks naillz, this has made me a top robber and a top player generally on us4
    il find your rat.......

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    I don't get how I'm supposed to get that many maces in that many days..I've had my account for a couple hours now and im still waiting for some more resources for a 3rd mace..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    People wonder why my guides normally only go so far and then stop. It’s primarily because after a certain point your own individuality kicks in and you begin to spice up your game play to your own personal taste. All I want to do is give you the best possible start – as I see it – and some suggestions going forward. The rest is up to you. Some of the things I say here will contradict things I’ve said in the past. It’s like a fine wine folks. Strategies get better over time and mine are no different. You can trust that everything I’ve written here, I’ve lived. This guide is written without a crutch on major gold usage. To those that wish to run through gold like a track star, this guide will make you ungodly - trust.

    I write also for the aggressive, type-A gamer. Who’s that? A gamer with the proper commitment. It’s been very difficult for me to play other games for any length of time when I play Teuton. I lose hours of sleep and many of my waking moments are filled with strategizing. My wife stands in the doorway and stares at me, wondering where the man she fell in love with has gone. I’m here sweetie... I’ve just found something I love a little bit more than you right now.

    Before I got really comfortable with the game mechanics and my raiding rotation I used to keep an excel spreadsheet that broke down my attack by who, when, where, travel time and how much of each resource I got. Now I can keep the spreadsheet in my head and some of it on my “Notes” section of the message archives. For non-aggressive, “I just want to have some fun” players, this guide is not for you, and trying to follow it will most likely prove frustrating and unprofitable.

    I’ve never been one for top rankings, though I’ve been in the top 20 of most categories in my Travian career more often than not. From time to time you’ll see me drop to the top 200. It is absolutely no reflection on my ability to attack or defend at that point in the game. At some point in every Travian kings life the time for raiding and hijinks comes to an end. Your goal by the servers 4th and final quarter is to get your Wonder built. This is not an indictment of those that end in the top 20 on the server. Most of them have a purpose within the alliances looking to seriously compete for the crown. As for the other 10,000 people on the server – the other worker bees – don’t fret not ending high. Besides, if you play properly in most cases you’ll enjoy retiring from raiding all day, every day. And by the 4th and final quarter most of your farms should have been sucked dry, banned for inactivity or deleted.

    NOTE:
    This guide is interchangeable with speed and normal servers. I will make notations if a distinction needs to be made.

    NOTE 2:
    Teuton’s are not for the faint of heart. Compared to the other two tribes they’re both slower AND exceptionally weaker in many respects. So again, if you’re not a super aggressive, dedicated, highly-active, hit and run kind of player I’d suggest going with Romans or Gauls. If you want to always be confident in your ability to defend your Kingdom I’d suggest going with Romans or Gauls. If you get attached to your troops like they’re your own children and you mope and lament for hours or days after heavy losses then sad to say Teutons are not for you. I’ve always said that Teutons have to be prepared to lose everything and be ready to rebuild immediately. There’s no time for nostalgia because losing everything is constantly before a Teuton. It’s just been a well kept secret from the other tribes. If they truly understood how much stronger, more balanced and faster they are than Teutons, this tribe would become unmanageable to n00bs and would only be useful to the highly skilled.

    If you’re not raiding then you’re vulnerable. I can’t stress this enough. Teutons are dominant raiders and mass troop producers – that’s it. There’s nothing magical about them. Their strength lies in their ability to haul massive amounts of enemy resources which can cripple the target’s production (boosting their own) because of the exorbitant costs other tribes have to produce troops. Now that we’ve got that cleared up...let’s get started with the standard fare:

    Names, Start Time and Positioning

    Choose a name for yourself that you will care about. Something unassuming about you and if you’re inexperienced, something that will draw little attention to you. The same goes for your village names. You want a name that stirs up emotion when YOU read that you’ve been attacked or scouted by someone. Don’t choose something insulting if you can’t deal with the heat. Personally when I see “Unbelievably Bold Guy has scouted Valley Low” it drives me up a wall. The city name “Valley Low” means something to me. The city name “New Village” doesn’t stir up the same fire but somebody still gets punished.

    There are more and more opponents to the notion of starting a server late. Some believe that it’s leaving yourself at a disadvantage when you let others get the jump on production before you. Fortunately for Teutons, the last thing they care about is “production” of fields at the start. More experienced Teutons can start a server late and still be able to subdue their 20x20’s. Normal servers I like to start 2 or 3 days after server start and speed servers I like to start about 3 days after start. Why? Because if I begin the server at noon, I want to be raiding by 2PM at the latest (4PM on a normal server). As a Gaul or Roman though I prefer to start a server on the day it begins, a good distance away from center map. Two speed servers ago I started 2.5 weeks after the server started and still won the Wonder, but I don't recommend that.

    To avoid complications with coordinates I usually position my kingdom in the same place every server. It’s up to you where you go; it doesn’t matter really because there’s no way for you to tell who’s spawning where and what their experience is, unless you already have word of mouth knowledge of it.

    For me the keys to good positioning are the amenities. It's important to view the details of EVERY square in your 13x13. This way you can start thinking about the future immediately. You must click on every square. Unfortunately this cannot be avoided within the rules. To make it so you only have to do it once, note the hotspots in your e-Notebook. I would like to have at least one of each oasis within my initial 9x9, even better would be one or two coupled with wheat (clay/wheat; iron/wheat or wood/wheat). This will come in handy for me personally because I prefer to make my capital a 4x4x4x6. If an oasis is lacking (say for instance wood), then I’ll pick a 5x4x3 to compensate and even things out.

    The reason I choose this strategy most often is because the oasis’ mixed with the bonus buildings, lvl 10+ fields and (if you so desire) the Travian Plus bonuses will yield an obscene amount of resources to help fund your kingdom (and later the wonder) for the whole server. Early on the additional resources are a godsend. If you wish to make your 15 cropper or 9 cropper your capital, be my guest. I’ve been able to do it and be very successful. I just prefer my new method. Just don’t waste time and resources on building up the three non-wheats and their resource bonus buildings in a 15 cropper though.

    Here’s an overview of what an ideal 13x13 might look like for a type-A Teuton gamer:
    • At least one 15 cropper AND 9 cropper within your 9x9
    • Wheat oasis’ within the 7x7 of those croppers
    • Another 15 cropper AND 9 cropper within 13x13
    • Varied oasis spots within 7x7 (one of each)
    • 50%+ Teuton neighbors within 13x13
    • More Romans than Gauls

    Any decent variation of the above can be considered good for Teuton prosperity. Remember too that every good Teuton knows and appreciates that his initial success is directly related to the incompetence, negligence and inexperience of his neighbors. Don’t krap on that. Be firm but be consistent when you deal with them. If you make a promise, keep it. If you can find a way to be benevolent then do it. It keeps them from deleting and starting over somewhere else. Why let a kinder ruler take what rightfully belongs to you if your farms move? Also, when raiding them, don’t be greedy. Just send a few guys consistently instead of a lot of guys periodically. Every perfect parasite knows that it’s better to nibble lightly than to call too much attention to yourself by taking huge chunks from the flesh. Now on to the nitty-gritty.

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    really helped, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by danaseilhan View Post
    I just started on a new server and I'm surrounded by people in BP but I WILL NOT delete. There are two 15cs in my 7x7 and one of them is touching my village square. Nope. Not going nowhere.

    Everyone in my 21x21 is in BP as far as I know, I have to raid from two to five hours away, but that's fine. I'll take the slow start in exchange for future prosperity.
    this could work out great for you... I hope it does
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    Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
    Khitan General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

    NAILZZ
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    I have some questions about hammers and wheat that I hope Nailzz or another experienced player can answer.

    The facts as I read them:
    * In his guide, Nailzz states that a typical hammer consumes at least 100k wheat/hr.
    * Nailzz states that he prefers to build his hammer in a non-cap 15c and have a cap 6c. He also states that he rarely goes over 30 villages total.
    * With 200% wheat bonus, a non-cap 15c produces 9k wheat/hr minus pop, and a cap 6c with lv 15 wheat and 200% bonus produces 14.4k wheat/hr minus pop. Non-cap 6c villages with no oasis bonuses produce 1.8k wheat/hr minus pop.
    * With 30 6c, a 200% 15c, and a capital 6c, and assuming 800 pop/village, the kingdom produces 51.8k wheat/hr.
    * Gold +25% wheat bonus would yield another 15.5k wheat/hr

    Questions:
    1. It appears that the typical kingdom cannot produce enough wheat to support the hammer sizes described, so where does the additional wheat come from? NPC merchant? It sounded like Nailzz prefers to avoid using the NPC merchant regularly. Does it all come from raiding, then?
    2. Nailzz stated that he prefers not to run > -50k wheat/hr so that he doesn't have to babysit the hammer village during major attacks, but the configuration described appears to result in exactly that. A 100k hammer in a non-cap 15c will be near -90k wheat/hr, so the hammer can live for about 1 hour per full granary, which would be very high-maintenance and nail-biting - the opposite of what it sounds like Nailzz would prefer!

    I'm sure that I must be missing a major factor in the equations here; what am I missing?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomb View Post
    A 100k hammer in a non-cap 15c will be near -90k wheat/hr, so the hammer can live for about 1 hour per full granary, which would be very high-maintenance and nail-biting - the opposite of what it sounds like Nailzz would prefer!
    I'm sure that I must be missing a major factor in the equations here; what am I missing?
    Thanks!
    This is maybe the "Awesome-est" question ever and it makes a HECK of a lot of sense - at first glance. I find that at times there are "nail-biting" scenarios that I go through with wheat consumption in that non-cap 15c. Dare I say there were times that proved quite frustrating when it came to this mini-behemoth I'd created. The answer to my problems could have been the NPC merchant, but on principle I couldn't go there as much as others. First before I tell you what I do to "maintain" I have to clear up a few of your assumptions.

    -First you assume that all of my remaining villages are 6c's. They are not.
    -Second, I am able to commandeer more than one 15c and in many cases more that two. Not to mention the 9c's available.
    -Third, you assume that I run all other villages at positive wheat.
    -Fourth, I raid like a mother. There is no denying it. On speed from start to finish, on normal from start to about mid-fourth quarter, I can raid about 6-7 million resources per week. And that's conservative by some of the standards I've been aware of.

    That all being said, while I honor my hammer, I do look at it like a population of deer - albeit a population of ravenous, rabid, war mongering deer but you get the point. I believe in "thinning and rotating" my hammer regularly. I started doing this by becoming a "Hammer Hunter". I carry thousands of scouts and I travel hours upon hours to find hammers that need to be well...hammered. Then I dispatch my hammer, along with my rams and I kill it. In the process I sustain respectable losses, my hero gains valuable exp and the wheat relief is not far behind. At some point I might even make it back to positive wheat or close to it with a single strike. I can send scattered forces back home to the 15c alleviating some of the pressure through the kingdom too. Once the appropriate forces that I called back are home again I can find another target. All the while my cropper continues to pump out infantry, cavalry and rams (this process never stops) It's like a farmer rotating crops to save the soils nutrients. Another positive to this style is the reaction of those that I hit. Once they lose their hammer they normally abandon the game. That leaves their kingdom open to me until they disappear or get banned for inactivity. My alliance mates know not to try and bang my sloppy seconds (once mine always mine) so I have little resource caves all over the map after a while.

    I've always stated that this life isn't for everyone. Currently I'm dualing on an account with two mad men where the 15c is the capital and we're shooting for lvl 19 fields like many do. I cringe when I spend the resources but it seems to work fine as well. I haven't been "opposed" to 15c capitals for a while now but I still like my way better. Keeps me frosty. Keeps my troops rotating and keeps my enemies honest.

    I hope that answers your questions.
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    I see! So, to summarize:

    * Your kingdom produces more wheat than I estimated
    * You net substantial additional resources from raiding
    * The hammer size I was asking about was at or near the maximum, but since the numbers rise and fall over time, the average wheat consumption over time is lower than the maximum.

    Thanks for such a detailed reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomb View Post
    * The hammer size I was asking about was at or near the maximum, but since the numbers rise and fall over time, the average wheat consumption over time is lower than the maximum.
    Yeah, I'd be misleading everyone if I said that I store a 100k crop hammer all server. Unlike most people that sit on their troops, my numbers fluctuate quite a bit, but if I did have to send my hammer back out a second time immediately after a strike I could do so with devastating force due to travian offensive bonus, hero max bonus, max training on all troops and rams baby rams. Can't underestimate the value of rams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trista View Post
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    really helped, thanks

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    Would this strategy work?
    Day 1

    Start the server on day 1. Upgrade all the fields to level 1, and get 1 wheat field to level 2 so you don't get minus wheat on day 2.
    Day 2
    Day 3
    Start building clubbies non-stop.
    Day 3

    Start raiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achillez View Post
    Would this strategy work?
    Day 1

    Start the server on day 1. Upgrade all the fields to level 1, and get 1 wheat field to level 2 so you don't get minus wheat on day 2.
    Day 2
    Day 3
    Start building clubbies non-stop.
    Day 3

    Start raiding.
    On a speed server maybe, but it's not what this guide is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailzz View Post
    Can't underestimate the value of rams.
    Especially when you hit a Roman. BAM! Gone. My only complaint is they won't let me check a wall level with rams anymore. *sob*
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    hi sir, i just want to ask.. how much negative crop is "respectable/tolerable" to have a considerable army for a 500+ pop in a normal server...

    thanks..

    all i got now is 350+ maces, 150+ spears, 120+ paladins (from main base), 120+ axeman (in 15c) (although i feel you will say i must already have 1500 maceman and 500 paladins.._

    thanks for the help.. the sight of a -100 crop per hr already unsettles me a lot lol
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