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    Ok - so I've been wondering for a long time where all the resources really go when you're building troops. Look at the Romans, everyone says they're sooo expensive. And the Teutons? cheap as dirt. So, here is the breakdown, hot off the presses, of where your resources actually get spent.

    I'll start with Romans - cause I like Romans, and I play Romans, so I see them lots.



    Legionnaire: 120 100 180 40
    So - looking at the guy, whats the first think you see? Thats right, he's wearing a golden breastplate. You wonder why he needs all that steel? Well, sword, spear AND golden armor, yeah that about covers it.

    Praetorian: 100 130 160 70
    Ok, besides being a goofy looking idiot, what has this guy got going for him? GIANT round shield. No surprises here. To cut down on costs, this guy is only wearing iron armor, no gold for him - that would have made him crazy costly.

    Imp: 150 160 210 80
    Is it just me, or is this guy holding his 'sword' waist level and shaking it around? Anyway - if the giant sword doesn't tip you off on where all the steel goes for this fella, just check out his armor - thats right, gold.




    EL: 140 160 20 40
    Now I know you're looking at this guy thinking he's got golden armor too, but you're wrong. Its just the helmet, the outfit is actually made out of clay and painted gold to look more useful. Who attacks scouts anyway? They don't need anything stronger than that. The extra wood goes toward all the paper that this guy has to haul around with him for reports.

    EI: 550 440 320 100
    Ok, the big guy on the horse ... First thing you notice is the quiver of arrows strapped behind him. Thats where all the wood goes, into making arrows. Some of the iron too, but again most of it goes to outfitting him in his gold armor. Where is his bow you ask? That would make him too costly, it was left out of the production line. Next - his luggage. If you hadn't noticed, the horse is weighted down with a ton of sacks. Those are filled with clay bricks. I know, I know - it may sound odd to you, but I'll explain. The horse is panting from all the weight, you see? Well, when these guys get into a fight and are losing, they dump all the bags. Now, since the horse is used to carrying so much more weight he feels light as a feather and they can put on that blistering 14square speed to get away. Last thing to address here ... 3 wheat. 1 for the guy, 1 for the horse, and 1 goes to the catapult masters (we'll get to them later).

    EC: 550 640 800 180
    These guys are just crazy. He's got a sword and spear, just like the Lego, plus the gold armor, PLUS some extra steel armor. Even his horse has some armor, talk about going crazy with the iron. These horses are bred special to go into battle, so they have seperate pens and breeding areas. Most of the cost here is upkeep on the horses (not surprising) the rider is kind of an afterthought - the horse can do all the fighting on it's own anyway. 4 wheat upkeep for this guy - considering how talented the horse it, he gets 2 rations, its only fair. 1 goes to the guy, and 1 to the catapult masters.



    Rams: 900 360 500 70
    Ok, if you don't see where the wood goes here, you're blind. Giant wooden cage, big wooden log. GOLDEN ram head and butt AND the wheels are trimmed in iron. We were lucky to get off so easy with the cost on this one. Oh ... not to forget, each of the 4 guys pushing the thing gets a suit of gold armor. The ram head is actually not solid steel (thank god) its full of clay to make it cheaper so we could afford to outfit the crew with gold armor too. Tricky part here is the wheat too ... 4 guys, 3 wheat consumption ... isn't it obvious? The ram is actually miniature, and the guys are midgets, they don't need full rations.

    Fire Catapult: 950 1350 600 90
    Iron spikes, iron studs, iron wheel rims, iron ball cup holder thing so it doesn't burn holding the flaming clay balls (you get the idea). Looks pretty doesn't it? none of that iron is actually functional, it just makes it look scary. The wood is obvious, and the clay is used for ammunition. Now, take a second look ... how many crew do you see using the catapult? Just one? Why does it need 6 wheat you ask? Now, remember when I was saying the cavalry gave 1 wheat each to the catapult crews? Well, all that wheat is pooled up and used to make alcohol - thats what makes the flaming catapult balls flame (now you know the hidden secret).

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    GAULS:



    Phalanx: 100 130 55 30
    These guys are almost pitifully cheap - you notice that only small pieces of their armor are steel? No wonder, if you're only budgeting 55 how can you expect to outfit them properly. Lots of wood though, gotta make those spears nice and long to skewer anyone charging at you. The clay is for those rocks they stand on for balance. This is also why they are so slow - they need to carry that rock around with them.

    Swordsman: 140 150 185 60
    Also quite cheap, but with an impressive sword - thats where the steel goes. Just enough left over for that nice little horny cap. Interestingly the Swordsmen dress in fishnets and wear leather ... Not that it has anything to do with their cost, but it makes you wonder. The wood and clay are used up making practice dummies for them to whack with their swords - don't ever say training comes cheap.

    Pathfinder: 170 150 20 40
    Again, the token metal for the helmet - not sure whats up with that. They didn't even have enough left over to give him a weapon, so pathfinders carry around sharp sticks in case of emergency. Again the wood is used for parchment, and the clay is used for pots for the pathfinder to throw around when he gets frustrated trying to be taught to write.




    TT: 350 450 230 60
    You see a bit more steel going into the cost for this guy because somehow they have to make those lightningbolt things. Golden lightning bolts - you ask why they have sucky attack? This is why, they're good on intimidation, but have you ever tried to fight with something like that? The extra clay here is used for target practice - it takes a lot of throwing to have good aim with a lightning bolt.

    Druidrider: 360 330 280 120
    Now - just take a minute and look at these guys, then look at the costs ... do you see something wrong with this picture? I'm not sure how they've gone on so long without anyone noticing - or maybe they turn a blind eye. Old man, patched up robes, big stick ... it took a lot of digging to find out where the money was going. Have you ever noticed how your fields are round ... the town is round ... and the plot of land you own is square? Well, the druidriders have really cashed in on that investment. They build casinos on the outskirts of the cities with the extra resources. The more druidriders you pay for, the bigger the casino gets. You think the troops who get trapped actually stick around inside the traps waiting for rescue? HA! They're all over at the casinos. When their buddies come along and 'rescue' them they're actually dragging them back home out of the casinos. Same deal - when you 'release' your traps the druidriders kick them all out.

    Haeduan: 500 620 675 170
    Here is a guy who knows his business - spear (big stick again of course) and a sword, helmet, and little touches of armor here and there to pretend to keep him safe. Not too bad considering the rest of his army though. Like the romans though, most of the cash here is invested in the training and keeping of the horse, the guy is kind of extra baggage. The horse eats 2 wheat, and the guy 1.



    Ram: 950 555 330 75
    4 guys with a giant stick, capped with metal and filled with clay - I think we covered this already? Rams aren't that inventive - though we do still have the midgets hauling around the stick - cause there isn't enough wheat to feed 4 full grown guys with only 3 rations.

    Trebuchet: 960 1450 630 90
    I hear the catapult crews exclaim that it's a marvel of engineering when it doesn't fall apart everytime they try and fire it. You'd think they'd use more wood with this, but the use of it is obvious. Intrestingly the gauls fire balls of steel instead of clay. The clay is used to weight down the trebuchet - they noticed that evertime they tried to fire a ball of steel the thing flipped over, so instead of changing that, they just added a ton of clay for counterweight, and off they went. No surprises here - 6 guys, 6 wheat rations.

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    TEUTONS:



    Just as an aside ... aren't these names quite imaginative? Whoever did up the Teutons was really rocking the creative side here.

    Clubbies: 95 75 40 40
    Ovious cost here ... giant stick. The sword is actually just a knife put in a sword sheath to make him look tough - he never uses it anyway. The big stick is weighted with clay and studded with iron to make it even more deadly. Lack of armor makes this guy a nice target.

    Spears: 145 70 85 40
    Again - big stick, but this time with a metal pointy thing on the end of it. A bit of armor (all they could afford) to protect this guy from being slaughtered. No big surprises here.

    Axeman: 130 120 170 70
    More iron, means a bigger piece of metal attatched to the end of the big stick (sensing a trend with the sticks?). This axe is actually huge in comparison to other weapons, I mean, the head of it is as big as that guy's torso. If you look at it that way, is it really a surprise it costs so much iron? The wood is used for the forge fire to make the axe head - incase you were wondering.



    Scout: 160 100 50 50
    Yep, you guessed it - big stick. This guy hauls around a whole log to play leapfrog with on his off hours. The metal is for his belt, to hold his pants up while he goes hopping around. He actually has to resort to clay tablets for writing (hence the cost) since all the wood is locked up in his giant stick.

    Paladin: 370 270 290 75
    Only other guy in the game with a shield ... interesting that his shield is made out of iron with some gold - and his weapon is a BIG STICK with a blunt log slapped on the end of it (thats the wood cost btw). He can't actually ride the horse (since it's made of clay) but it looks quite deadly to stand next to it and swing the hammer. Many clay horses need replacement from uncontrolled 'hammertime' parties.

    TK: 450 515 480 80
    Sword, and and axe - there goes your metal. At least this axe isn't insanely oversized - but I'm sure it does the job. This guy even gets some armor to protect himself with. Interestingly, since he uses both hands for weapons and there is no saddle his boots are made out of clay. They're put on after he mounts the horse and before he's given his weapons. That way when he's riding around he doesn't bounce off. Sometimes though, they get the weight wrong (notice the picture, the horse is obviously about to fall over) and the two feet don't weigh the same - which is why Teutons sometimes ride in circles.



    Ram: 1000 300 350 70
    BIG STICK ... nuff said.

    Catapult: 900 1200 600 60

    I'm not sure how they get away with calling this a seige weapon. Its 2 BIG STICKS slapped down holding another BIG STICK with a scoop on the end of it. The scoop throws clay balls - the only iron on this thing is the hitch in the front. Why does it need a hitch you ask? I'd be happy to explain - see, there is only one guy operating the catapult? Well, he straps a harness around himself, ties it to the hitch, and thats how he moves the catapult. Where does the other 5 wheat go? He brews it himself - unlike the Romans though - he actually drinks it. Wonder why Teutons are always talking about their parties? now you know.



    That about sums everyone up - and now you know the whole story and can spend your money more wisely. I hope this puts to rest all complaints about costs of troops, since it's all very logical and plainly laid out right infront of you.

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    I've never thought about this. But you do have a point. Glad someone is questioning where all our resources are being spend.

    Good job. Pretty darn entertaining to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolcalv View Post
    I've never thought about this. But you do have a point. Glad someone is questioning where all our resources are being spend.

    Good job. Pretty darn entertaining to read.
    I was just looking them over tonight and it hit me - so I had to share

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    You know, I've often wondered exactly what the swordsmen are doing in their off hours, what with all the leather and fishnets. Now I know - they must be entertaining at the casino!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dicentra View Post
    You know, I've often wondered exactly what the swordsmen are doing in their off hours, what with all the leather and fishnets. Now I know - they must be entertaining at the casino!
    LOL - you hit the nail on the head with that one ... these are the old days afterall, and everyone is a soldier ... hmmm ...

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    I think you forgot to factor in the cost of the capes. You may have noticed that the legionnaire has a relatively small cape, the praeotrian has a bigger cape, and the imperian has a friggin HUGE cape.

    Those capes are expensive. I have to outsource their construction to a cheaper server.
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    LOL! But are you sure the armor isn't brass or bronze?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Good Guy View Post
    I think you forgot to factor in the cost of the capes. You may have noticed that the legionnaire has a relatively small cape, the praeotrian has a bigger cape, and the imperian has a friggin HUGE cape.

    Those capes are expensive. I have to outsource their construction to a cheaper server.
    Yeah ... I was going to mention that, but I wasn`t sure how the villagers produce cotton ... and they didn`t appear to be made out of iron (if they are, the gold armor isn`t as pricey as I thought) ... so I figured I`d leave that up to the general populace to figure out.

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    LOL! But are you sure the armor isn't brass or bronze?
    Yeah, I`m sure ... if they had brass or bronze armor they`d have decent defensive ratings - considering everyone else is wearing leather and they defend just as well as the Romans in some cases? That means it's gold, everyone knows gold looks pretty and doesn't protect you against flying monkeys - let alone swords and spears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinasilna View Post
    Yeah ... I was going to mention that, but I wasn`t sure how the villagers produce cotton ... and they didn`t appear to be made out of iron (if they are, the gold armor isn`t as pricey as I thought) ... so I figured I`d leave that up to the general populace to figure out.
    That's partly what the wheat is for to train them; cotton is not listed as a resource for the sake of simplicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurk View Post
    That's partly what the wheat is for to train them; cotton is not listed as a resource for the sake of simplicity.
    That perfectly explains the rising cost of crop for troops ... as the cape gets longer the cost gets higher - Thanks Lurk, I knew there was an answer out there somewhere.

    I guess since a Hero has even higher cost that they make him an even larger cape to wear, as a mark of status? Kind of like the big hat for the pope ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinasilna View Post
    That perfectly explains the rising cost of crop for troops ... as the cape gets longer the cost gets higher - Thanks Lurk, I knew there was an answer out there somewhere.

    I guess since a Hero has even higher cost that they make him an even larger cape to wear, as a mark of status? Kind of like the big for the pope ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dicentra View Post
    I'm never again going to be able to send my hero into battle without imagining him riding off with a giant pope hat bouncing along on top of his head....
    or a big pope cape? That would be quite impressive, no wonder everyone insists that heros should be cavalry! They must trip over their capes if they aren't up on horses ... now things make so much more sense.

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    Heh very witty well done.

    Since we are on the subject of clothing. Teutons should be even cheaper than other troops because they look like they got their clothes from a second hand shop. Never saw such a badly dressed army in my life

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    Its nice, but for the EI, I'm pretty sure those are feathers, I don't think arrows droop on the side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgw View Post
    Its nice, but for the EI, I'm pretty sure those are feathers, I don't think arrows droop on the side...
    Gay arrows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bankrupt Monk View Post
    Gay arrows?
    Ah, touche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgw View Post
    Its nice, but for the EI, I'm pretty sure those are feathers, I don't think arrows droop on the side...
    You know ... at first I was thinking maybe it's a giant flowerpot stuck on the back of the horse with flowers coming out of it ... then I was like 'nahhhh that can't be right' ... so I asked a few people and a couple said it might be arrows. So I was like 'Yeah!' now people will stop complaining about that archer thing, EI's have arrows!! They just don't have a bow ... oh well.

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    This is really good now I know where all my resources are going.
    Read this it will answer most of your questions
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    I was so lost in this game (and life) until I saw this guide. Now I know exactly what I need to train in order to ensure my success and I owe it all to you, T. I'll name a newborn or two after you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunuku View Post
    I was so lost in this game (and life) until I saw this guide. Now I know exactly what I need to train in order to ensure my success and I owe it all to you, T. I'll name a newborn or two after you.
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    I wants to know where the loyalty lowering troops and settlers are...
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    Oh, the things I missed when I was out of town. This thread is SO much win.

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    Have you ever noticed how your fields are round ... the town is round ... and the plot of land you own is square? Well, the druidriders have really cashed in on that investment. They build casinos on the outskirts of the cities with the extra resources. The more druidriders you pay for, the bigger the casino gets. You think the troops who get trapped actually stick around inside the traps waiting for rescue? HA! They're all over at the casinos. When their buddies come along and 'rescue' them they're actually dragging them back home out of the casinos. Same deal - when you 'release' your traps the druidriders kick them all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinasilna View Post
    EI: 550 440 320 100
    Ok, the big guy on the horse ... First thing you notice is the quiver of arrows strapped behind him. Thats where all the wood goes, into making arrows. Some of the iron too, but again most of it goes to outfitting him in his gold armor. Where is his bow you ask? That would make him too costly, it was left out of the production line.
    Thats not arrows, thats wheat, you know
    He carries so much extra wheat and no other troop does!
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    Good read... very astute observations.
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    Nice thread! Lol casinos. Its always good to have a laugh!

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    So I guess when the troops get killed by the owner (because they are traps/casino) they are at the casino for the rest of their lifes? Man, twist my arm more >.>''

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    Gauls don't need to use a trapper, they just need to make a Casino, that way they get money and trap them.

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    Heh, Gauls get and lose gold due to casino ^.^

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    I really liked this. It was definitely worth reading.

    On the topic of DR, why do they have such a good defense when they only have a stick?

    Where are the Chiefs/Senators, and why do they cost so friggin much? The senator has just a robe. I must know.

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    Maybe because they herd enemies into the casino, where they are never heard from again?
    Quote Originally Posted by Palefreyman View Post
    Now that you're using words, I understand why you used pictures...
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