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    Quote Originally Posted by IsleofWrath View Post
    Good hits guys. Think any relevant tweaking was added above. Can understand the brewery vs Targetting. Lady luck could have been a little nicer though
    On the rammer, it's completely understandable because of how few cats it had. That extra push of damage softens things up for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethaljimmy View Post


    Okay lets try this again. This random WC hammer landed on the WW last night and did nothing at all.
    "nothing at all"? If that's the one i'm thinking of.... i believe it hurt your wall and a great warehouse...?

    i could be wrong.

    oh well.... some first time hammer players who have never done endgame before just refuse to believe
    that a hammer like that sent alone won't zero a ww. LOL they have to try it once to accept the futility of it.

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    I'm just a little concerned that WPC WW 0 attempts seem to all be throw a single hammer tricks. Worked once don't keep relying on the same card.
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    Nobodys gotten to 95?
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    Now that kirilloid is working again (it wasn't on Friday, when I last posted here)... I've run some sims. It appears the attacks ( http://forum.travian.us/showthread.p...=1#post2593679 ) were a little wasteful, as we expected. But not just in the way we expected.

    Battle sims, showing approximate (equivalent) D:
    http://travian.kirilloid.ru/warsim2....0k,,,,,,,,,U20,,,,,,,
    http://travian.kirilloid.ru/warsim2....0k,,,,,,,,,U20,,,,,,,
    (Note that there's a slight surge of D between the rogue early hit and the main hits).

    Battle sims, if brewery hadn't been used for either Teut:
    http://travian.kirilloid.ru/warsim2....0k,,,,,,,,,U20,,,,,,,
    1st Teut could have knocked a level 20 GG or GW down about 4 levels. 2nd Teut could have almost taken out 2 completely. And the "cost" is only about 2% less of the D killed (WW still destroyed though), to further set back the WW village if they have to rebuild the other buildings too.

    Then I wondered if they could have hit with less hammers, and still do the damage set out to be done. Sure enough, there was overkill:
    http://travian.kirilloid.ru/warsim2....0k,,,,,,,,,U20,,,,,,,
    That is removing the 1st Teut (the one with 12k rams), and saving it, built even bigger, to go at a WW that may even have a strength arti. Note that the wall and WW are still fully destroyed with only 3 of the 4 hammers. Yes, there is about 10% less D killed. But the time lost to the WW village is the same, and then there would have still been 1 large rammer sitting in stock for next round (and don't say feeding is an issue... there would be 3 players now with a TON of extra wheat to help feed that 4th hammer that could have been saved).

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    Very nice job Jason.

    I admitted it was overkill. I was asked by one of the hammers to be added so I move some things around but I knew it was a little over the top. The rouge hit and the 2nd rammer would have worked in unison but I did not know that the first hammer was in route until it landed. When WC called for a kitchen sink call I factored that my over kill was worth it. Who calls for a kitchen sink call on the first round of WWK's? That extra 10% is worth it when that happened and thus why you are seeing the total kills increased. Once you take out 50% of the defense of an alliance in one hit you rarely get that back and it becomes an uphill battle with Natars on a sprint. I am 99% sure that WC will never get the same defense totals they had on the first hit.

    I was going to say more but I think it gives away to much strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b4dm0therf View Post
    Agreed... Now that the WW is zeroed, you can rightfully cheer 'mission accomplished', but the ultimate question, which has yet to be answered, is what Jason is hinting at here. Does spending those hammers just to soften defense, instead of on the next target (DS), impact the outcome of this round negatively for ETHOS. I supposed only time will tell.

    Personally, I would have advised against it, but I'm no longer in the circle of trust and such things don't come by me anymore.

    Ethos still has a few big hammers left
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    Should be easier to feed after last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmie View Post
    oh well.... some first time hammer players who have never done endgame before just refuse to believe
    that a hammer like that sent alone won't zero a ww. LOL they have to try it once to accept the futility of it.
    Noobs that have no idea what they're doing...that seems to be a familiar trend in WPC. Tell me, did you demote them down to the PC lesser-training wing after the attack? It seems like every server, your alliances consist of mostly first time players. It would make sense as no veteran player would dare play on your team.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_kroeker View Post
    That is removing the 1st Teut (the one with 12k rams), and saving it, built even bigger, to go at a WW that may even have a strength arti.
    Well, you don't have to worry about calculating it with the 5x strength artifact.

    By the way, amazing analysis there. Great post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezie View Post
    Planes...pox...kurtz...oh all the old H&Ker's server players are here I'm on s1 boys and girls!!!!
    Your signature says "destory the fail". Just thought I'd point that out for you.
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    WC hit Ethos WW. The sounds of cheering seemed to sound just like their attempts on taking plans. And then there was silence.

    So the first hammer lands and its a roman rammer. Still decent and better than a gaul rammer but no one explained the effects of a tueton being a rammer. Notice the 3 levels of a wall.


    Then comes along another Roman with a decent clear. 1 Level of a WW and 1 level on the wall


    Hammer number 3 hits and was probably bigger when it launched then when it landed. 5 level off the Wall and 1 Level off the WW.


    Hammer 4(if you can call it that). Did absolutely nothing. It did not show up on the attackers for the week.


    Hammer # 5. DUAL SHOT and fired late. Hey, They did get the gaul wall down with the fifth hammer.



    I know many of these players took time and energy to build these hammers so I can not walk away with out saying nice builds.

    There is a lot of critique here and I am going to leave it for the better forum linguists to explain what went wrong.

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    A rammer with an escort of 45k is pretty weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethaljimmy View Post
    Hammer 4(if you can call it that). Did absolutely nothing. It did not show up on the attackers for the week.
    needz moar ramz

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsleofWrath View Post
    s1 Kill Spazm(helping destory the fail) Your signature says "destory the fail". Just thought I'd point that out for you.
    aaaw, and I was going to wait and see how long that stayed there too .... and see what exactly a destory'd fail felt like and what it was. i was picuturing maybe like a gloomy bedtime story??? Maybe in reverse, as it is a DEstory?

    It's rather ironic to FAIL at making a pathetic threat about "destroying the fail"... but wait.... isn't "destroying the fail" similar to a double negative?? Where in fact, you cancel out the negatives and are therefore, "creating a WIN" ???

    EXCELLENT!! You will destroy any fails that we might have!!! you shall lead the way to our VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Thank you so much for your declaration to either DESTORY me with a weird bedtime book.... or to DESTROY MY FAIL and ensure our WIN!



    Quote Originally Posted by fortress View Post
    needz moar ramz

    and mace

    and tk

    LOL you can thank roadrunner for that. we were putting it out of its misery that poor hammer has been hit so many times, no matter where we tried to hide it on the map. although it was suppppoooosed to hit last.... c'est la vie (( that's life ... so i don't get banned for a different language post lol))
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    Quote Originally Posted by lethaljimmy View Post
    WC hit Ethos WW. The sounds of cheering seemed to sound just like their attempts on taking plans. And then there was silence.

    [failure of epic proportion]


    I know many of these players took time and energy to build these hammers so I can not walk away with out saying nice builds.

    There is a lot of critique here and I am going to leave it for the better forum linguists to explain what went wrong.
    I'm gonna take a stab at this, Husky Style. *ahem*
    Ladies and gentlemen welcome to BRONZE LEAGUE HEROES! Where we showcase the very best of the very worst! The round may be bad, the players may be bad, but my gawd it is so good!
    Down in the Southeast corner of the map we have WP&C as the attackers and spawning in the Northeast side is none other than ETHOS!
    Ok, what is this first hammer doing?


    I don't think he really knows just how much defense is stacked in a World Wonder, here. Maybe he was trying to scout the world wonder, but usually that's done with scouts or a raid of macemen. This is Bronze League Heroes, after all. He could be one of those couch potato hammers who are like 'Baaawh! The next guy will take down the wall for me and I'll just take credit for it!'
    And now we have the second one:



    who must be thinking "Take the wall down?! That siege stuff is for suckers! It just eats way too much resources!"
    Now, just remember: In Bronze League Heroes we never really worry about upgrading our troops or building hammers that make sense.



    Part of me is kinda wondering if the people who designed these hammers also laid out the design plans for these websites. Because while each one have some severe flaws they're still kinda adorable.



    Now this guy probably saw a bunch of people running off to their death and wanted to join in on the festivities. He was probably thinking "I don't need this hero! I mean what has he ever done for me?"
    Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a PRO TIP OF THE DAY. If you find yourself in late game and don't have more than 150K wheat worth of non-siege units, you're not going to be doing very much to the world wonder. You might be better off crippling feeders and stealing resources to slow them down. And if you do have over 150K wheat than make sure you specialize your siege to either be a ram hammer, by making at least 8K rams, or a catapult hammer, by making at least 5K catapults.
    Now, back to the commentary.

    Finally the Gaul wall is brought down here. After 5 attempts the first hammer can sit back and try to claim that he set that plan into motion!
    Now, remember, these aren't just any Roman or Teuton troops, here--these are Bronze League troops! I feel as if they're never given any actual training, instead they're just handed a club or a sword and told to charge to the left and they'll learn all they need later. Unfortunately, they never do; they just end up mistaking their heads as rams and charging as fast as they can into walls.
    Well, they may not have done any significant damage to the World wonder, but by golly that wall will think twice before preventing the children within from playing in the wheat fields! It had 5 separate heroes tell it to 'Let the children roam free!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmie View Post
    aaaw, and I was going to wait and see how long that stayed there too .... and see what exactly a destory'd fail felt like and what it was. i was picuturing maybe like a gloomy bedtime story??? Maybe in reverse, as it is a DEstory?

    It's rather ironic to FAIL at making a pathetic threat about "destroying the fail"... but wait.... isn't "destroying the fail" similar to a double negative?? Where in fact, you cancel out the negatives and are therefore, "creating a WIN" ???

    EXCELLENT!! You will destroy any fails that we might have!!! you shall lead the way to our VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Thank you so much for your declaration to either DESTORY me with a weird bedtime book.... or to DESTROY MY FAIL and ensure our WIN!






    LOL you can thank roadrunner for that. we were putting it out of its misery that poor hammer has been hit so many times, no matter where we tried to hide it on the map. although it was suppppoooosed to hit last.... c'est la vie (( that's life ... so i don't get banned for a different language post lol))

    Let's discuss...eh...I'm feeling lazy....I'll just come over and read you a bedtime story. Kimmie, you ARE WINNING!!! Well at least in the Charlie Sheen sort of way. Just keep winning!!!

    That hammer, should have either been:
    A. stored in his own account or actual villages and not oases
    B. out farming
    C. made to do the first run.
    Y'all shouldn't have been trying to hide it. Let that hammer stand out as a crazy little diamond that it is!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5m4llP0X View Post
    I'm gonna take a stab at this, Husky Style. *ahem*
    Ladies and gentlemen welcome to BBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOONZE LEEEEAGUE HEROOOOOOOOOOOES!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezie View Post
    Planes...pox...kurtz...oh all the old H&Ker's server players are here I'm on s1 boys and girls!!!!
    Yeah, but I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortress View Post
    fixt

    You also forgot the "H to the usky Husky"
    I didn't wanna take up too much space with the BLH. But those hits where the perfect definition of Bronze League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5m4llP0X View Post
    I didn't wanna take up too much space with the BLH. But those hits where the perfect definition of Bronze League.
    Nah, maybe Wood League... or Plastic League
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5m4llP0X View Post
    lalala BRONZE LEAGUE HEROES! lalala
    This is pretty much my favorite p0xy post ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b4dm0therf View Post
    This is pretty much my favorite p0xy post ever.
    I saw the hits and they needed a special commentary and only BLH would fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethaljimmy View Post
    WC hit Ethos WW. The sounds of cheering seemed to sound just like their attempts on taking plans. And then there was silence.

    So the first hammer lands and its a roman rammer. Still decent and better than a gaul rammer but no one explained the effects of a tueton being a rammer. Notice the 3 levels of a wall.


    Then comes along another Roman with a decent clear. 1 Level of a WW and 1 level on the wall


    Hammer number 3 hits and was probably bigger when it launched then when it landed. 5 level off the Wall and 1 Level off the WW.


    Hammer 4(if you can call it that). Did absolutely nothing. It did not show up on the attackers for the week.


    Hammer # 5. DUAL SHOT and fired late. Hey, They did get the gaul wall down with the fifth hammer.



    I know many of these players took time and energy to build these hammers so I can not walk away with out saying nice builds.

    There is a lot of critique here and I am going to leave it for the better forum linguists to explain what went wrong.
    Very bad order of execution.

    1) Lysermide - bad clear but yeah first because of the rams
    2) Steakhouse - nice clear, would have taken the wall down enough to still hit the wonder a few levels. (single shot)
    3) Zeejmon - another big clear and some more rams to hit the wall for the smaller ones soon to follow.
    4) P&H - decent clear and enough defense killed now that it could have been effective
    5) Red_Devilz - Most likely wouldnt have done much more than it did.

    5 hammers, this reminds of us6 last round http://forum.travian.us/showthread.p...=1#post2452871

    Good job on the defense Ethos. The hammers are nice too, but executed in the wrong order to maximize damage.
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    The hammers lacked siege and where light to be considered WWK hammers.

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    What is most obvious here is that the 5x building strength... would have been nice to have.

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    Would have made these wonders invincible :P, well invincible against crap hammers.
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    Verlanie and Kurts, We learned a lot playing against your crews on different servers. I would like to say thank you for kicking our butts and teaching us lessons on several fronts. With out these painful lessons we would have never grown into the group Ethos has become.

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    You speak as if there are no more hammers available to hit anyone.

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    Definitely no hammers left anywhere.
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    S1R5 - TYLER DURDEN - NATAR WIN! 75 Villages Chiefed Oh look we won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5m4llP0X View Post
    You speak as if there are no more hammers available to hit anyone.
    Oh no. What I am saying is that We got better (even though during the battles you claimed that we had not). I was just giving thanks because I saw Laine in here. I was humbled and wanted to grow and become better so I did. This was simply a thank you note.

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    did i get lost and end up in the "Thank you note thread??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmie View Post
    did i get lost and end up in the "Thank you note thread??"
    It was only once. LJ acknowledging others where it was needed.

    Shouldn't you go back to watching your WW now?
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    lighten up.... it was a joke

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    I joke, but it is sometimes hard for others to know when I am serious and when I am not. You, however, I will always be silently watching. Now run along now and keep those WW troops fed.
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    I have literally never seen more idiotic WW hits. I wish I were spinning.

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    Comment on that latter NON. For now its the line up and showing that TBW and Ethos have coordinated their first op of the server.

    The Rammer



    Then came the Natar sandwich.

    Clears and bashing hammers




    The final hit. This one I had to scrub the defense report because he actually got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethaljimmy View Post
    Comment on that latter NON. For now its the line up and showing that TBW and Ethos have coordinated their first op of the server.
    First op lol. Thats a good joke.
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    S1R6 - TMNT - Fiercest Commander Say What!#1 Attacker.

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